Sunday morning I had two hard cooked eggs and a little yogurt with some fruit on it. Then I let the lady try to win me over on Schmalzbrot, basically it's lard on bread. Ugh! Nothing helped, not salt, not pepper, it tasted and smelled like lard and I think lard's for cooking, not spreading on bread. She was so nice though, bringing me a teapot of herbal tea, whatever I liked, and asking me about my life in Germany. I told her about my problems trying to buy a horse and she guessed immediately which stable - small town.
I paid and she handed me their business card and asked me to email her when I find my horse someday, tell her I'm the lady who didn't know about Schmalzbrot.
Thankfully the snow had mostly melted and when I drove up I heard the mooing of cows. I was curious so I looked around the corner and sure enough, they had a huge open barn full of cows. The owner lady to meet me and answered my questions. They raise their own beef, this is how they winter them. The sell the calves. With the price of beef in Germany, and the scarcity of steak (I've still never had a good one), I bet the answer is just having your own cows.
I love this type of horsekeeping where the horses have big open barns and they just mingle all Winter. Of course going out is better, but this is way healthier than a box stall. They pointed to a long trough that extended along the entire wall, with chains every meter or so, and they said they tie the babies up every day for their mealtimes. I think that's probably a stress-free way of teaching tying, group tying for meals.
I saw Sara, the teenager, leading a big chestnut mare to the barn. The owner lady took me to get Allegro.
He was lying down in his stall and it took her a moment to get him up. The horse across the aisle was flat out and snoring!
I asked about all these imported Polish horses and she said they come from both Janow and Michalow, the two big Arabian studs in Poland. WHP was right - there is an economic game going on here. She admitted that the Poles don't like geldings, and the Poles in general pay less for Arabians, so they all profit from going to Poland regularly and taking all the rejects/geldings to Germany, training them under saddle, and then ripping off American buy... I mean reselling for a big profit.
BTW, I must note that the three geldings I was shown all had injuries. I've already talked about the over-at-the-knee Cero. Banadero had a weird lump behind his withers where the saddle goes, an old injury because he didn't flinch when I touched it. Allegro has a quarter-sized lump on one of his rear legs. The owner said they got him that way when I asked. These horses were purebred, all branded on their backs (saddle area), and papered. But I couldn't help but note the injuries.
I got Allegro ready after brushing him with lots of long massaging strokes. I felt bad for waking him. Again, he had so much Show Sheen on I couldn't get a grip on anything, ugh!
Sara and I took the two chestnuts outside and mounted, the owner lady holding my stirrup to help me. So nice. I had to try twice because Allegro was bouncing around a bit. The Show Sheen on his mane made it really hard for me to mount. I always grasp saddle and mane and I just couldn't get a hold. I rememebered the time I flew right over Baasha's back, trying to mount after Show Sheening his mane. I landed flat on my back on pavement. Ouch. I hate riding and mounting on pavement but this is Germany.
We rode off down the road, again, pavement making me uncomfortable, and the stupid freaking split reins! I did ask if they had anythind else but they didn't. Next time I'll just bring reins along with me. On such a little horse (under 15 hands), I felt like the reins were dragging on the ground. I'm getting the hang of using them, I just don't prefer it.
Here is a pic of Sara and the mare she was riding. (5K Euro)
Allegro spooked and shied at every single little thing. Crack in pavement. Creek by road. Speed bump. Electric fence. People in distance. I thought, again, what am I in for, and will I survive. I said a prayer.
We made our way up a hill off the pavement finally, and the horses were really up. It was windy out but not too windy, or at least I thought. I realized the mare Sara was on was just as green, and spooking even worse at everything. Sign, fence, bench, person. She'd just slam on the brakes or spin suddenly so Sara was having a challenge. But as we started talking, I found that she loves the thrill of riding young Arabians. OK then.
Then we came to a fallen tree and it was about 8 inches high, really more like a long cavaletti, and her mare refused to step over it. Then she did, and then my horse refused to step over it. Then he did, after some coaxing. I asked, "How many times has he been ridden outside the arena?" She assured me for months, but I could have sworn it was his second time out.
Probably, now that I think about it, it was his first time out in Winter, and that changes things.
I started to get tired of his lookiness and "Oooh, should I spook at that? Should I spook at that?" but the good thing was Sara and I were talking - she wanted to know about America, what she called "Voll Geil" which is teenager speak for "Totally awesome." Yes it is, specially where I come from.
The horses were really upset about the wind which was picking up and pushing on us and making the trees make those scary creaking noises.
A nordic walker just about put the horses over the edge - they both stopped and refused to move until he put his nordic walking poles away. It must have been a sight, two matching Arabians with white blazes and hair blowing in the wind, staring at him in terror.
Then there was the lone lady hiker who scared the horses despite not having any walking sticks. Just a normal lady, and the horses were terrified of her.
Lisa asked if the drive or the ride was scarier. well, when the wind was pushing against my car so hard I had to fight to keep it in the lane, which happened countless times, that was just as scary as pretty much the entire time on that horse. The good thing was, Sara and I were talking. It's hard to be really scared when you're having long conversations, and I think it was a really great experience for these young horses, that we seemed so calm despite the windstorm.
As we headed toward home (thank God) the wind was blowing so hard I couldn't feel or move my hands, and the horses' manes were blowing on the other side, and their tails were streaming out horizontally. I thought "Oh just jump off and walk to warm up" and then thought, "Coward, ride this horse all the way!"
So I did. And felt like kissing the ground when we arrived.
I swear they should just pay me for that, to cover some of the gas/hotel money I spent this weekend. They should pay me for giving that horse some trail training in bad conditions. I think our ride boosted the value of both horses.
The owner lady was excited to ask how it went and I said, "Well it was a good training ride for them." I think she wanted me to say I fell in love with the horse. I was worried about getting back alive so there was no time for the bonding.
I also think he's way too delicate a horse for the kind of work I'd ask for. He's really pretty and I'm sure they'll be able to sell him for way more money in a few more months of training.
Since my man asked, I asked about their grey horses for sale too. I had to try. The lady said, "Oh we have lots of greys but none of them are as far in their training as Allegro." (!!!!???) So, Allegro was *it*? From the 10 they promised, only Allegro met my criteria, which obviously I let go when I started asking about grey horses.
So I cannot help but think, what am I doing wrong?
I'm so picky but every time I ride a strange horse, I just want to come home and ride Baasha.
It's him I love.
And boy did he get some love from me last night.
I spent hours out there doting on him, sitting in his stall watching him eat, being so thankful that I have him.
And what about Wiszi, that mare I fell for. I want to ask again if they'll accept my offer but it seems so pathetic. They have her ad up still, but they seemed so offended that I did not have "the half" of what she's worth.
For those who ask, shipping a horse costs between 5 and 11 thousand$.
How do you know, when you've learned patience?
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When I bought Dixie - as a FIVE year old! - she spooked and spun and froze and tried to bolt from every single thing we saw. And she's a laid back breed! I think she was ridden out a bit as a very young filly, but then she spent the next three years as a show horse with no turnout. Green horses are just a challenge. And a horse that you have no bond with yet is extra challenging. You may have to decide if you want a been there, done that horse with plenty of miles (and old injuries) or if you really want to start over with an unblemished greenie.
You're clearly a good enough and patient enough rider to turn a green horse into a good trail horse. It would take a year and a lot of courage, but you could do it - and at the end of it you'd have a bond with that horse, just like you do with Baasha. But I dont' know if you'll ever just walk up to a horse and instantly bond with it like you're bonded to Baasha.
Split reins - I am clumsy and I just tie them in a knot near the end! It looks super lame, but that way even if I drop a rein, it doesn't hit the ground. So glad you had such good company on your free training ride. ;)
Sorry it was such a discouraging trip!
About all the little injuries you are seeing: Could be related to the group stabling--When horses run in a herd, either out on pasture, or probably even more so in the open barn you observed, I'm sure there are plenty of little arguments and pecking order disputes. Unfortunately, that's why so many well-bred show horses never see anything but a 12X12 stall much of their lives.
If you can rule out soundness issues vs. cosmetic blemishes, it might broaden your options. (The old bowed tendon would certainly give me pause, but you hear of OTTB that come back as eventers and such after similar injuries.) It's all about how much risk one is willing to live with, both on the physical issues and with the training level of young prospects.
That sounds like a stressful trial ride. Interesting farm, but very disappointing that they had so few started horses to show you. But it will just make the right horse more obvious when you meet him. Do you have any more prospects in mind to see in the near future? How long have you lived in Germany? What similarities and differences have you found horse shopping in Germany vs the U.S.? I would imagine the language and culture & horsekeeping differences add some unique qualities. And then there are the similarities...like driving for hours and hours only to find a situation different than what was expected.
When I started looking for a new horse, my trainer suggested that I make a list of the "must-have" qualities and use that to evaluate every horse I looked at. I found it to be a very good tool. I would look at ads, meet horses, etc and then go back and give them a number score on my list. And, it should be YOUR list -- not someone else's or what you think your trainer would want, etc. I didn't care about breed or color so they weren't on my list. I cared about sanity, and a feeling of clicking with the horse, sensitivity, trail experience and solid gaits. For your discipline the list will be different. You might try it -- the exercise sure helped me.
Good luck and don't rush it. If you can't get that mare out of your head, call. All they can say is "no", right?
I would re-offer for Wiszi if I were you, & make sure they know she'd have a home for life with you. :)
At worst, they would say no again, & then let them know your offer would stand (unless you found another horse). At best, they say yes, & you have a new horse!
Never hurts to try, anyway! Good luck!
Jamie
Good posts before me so I have nothing to add to their wisdom. Just one question - does anyone wear riding helmets in Germany? I would definitely wear one on a green horse on a windy trail ride. But that's just me.
Just curious.
Dan
Too bad it didnt turn out. I have never instantly bonded to ahorse and it will probly always take time. And remember you are not looking for Baasha or you will probly never find a horse.
Is it possible to go into other surrounding countries and look or are they just as far?
Sounds like there are not a lot of broke younger horses around in your price range right now. have you thought of an older horse? (I cant remember, oops)
What a frustrating, disappointing, high tension weekend. It doesn't sound like fun at all. Although at one point, when you were describing both horses acting so silly, it was almost laughable - at least from the safety of my spot in front of the computer!
I'd certainly call on the mare again. If they haven't sold her yet, they may be willing to take a lower bid.
I have split reins. I don't particularly care for them. They seem to pull my hands in the wrong direction and they get all tangled!
I also think you should remake your offer for Wiszi. Can't hurt.
You have had so many wonderful years with Baasha. I'm sure all others will pale in comparison until you build a new relationship.
Have you considered getting a younger horse, like a yearling? You'd have to wait a little longer for a riding horse but you could start it the way you want and I would think they'd be a little lower priced.
I think its going to be harder to find that "right" horse after having one that you are so bonded with (and he's such a regal looking horse too!)
I wasn't really that thrilled when I started riding Cartman- after having my mare for so long and completely trusting her and knowing how she would react to things it was a little disconcerting to get on a complete unknown out on the trail.
It took about a month and I was totally in love with him, I actually would chose to ride the greenie over my mare! But there was an adjustment period for me.
What's that commercial say? Something about good things/fine wine taking time?
Maybe one reason this is such a difficult decision, is because Baasha is still alive and with you, even if you cannot ride him? Your heart still belongs to him and you can't make a commitment to another horse?
All these greenie horses sound challenging, but not so much for someone with your riding and handling skills. I am pretty sure that you could train a horse to become the horse you truly desire and during the process build a very strong bond.
How was Baasha when you first met? How was your first ride and your first year with him? Did you immediately fall in love?
If your heart is still set on Wiszi, you should just call them and let them know your offer still stands. You never know...
~Lisa
I learned patience when we were looking for our acreage lol
Darn that is SO disappointing! I'm considering going to look at a mare 4 hours away so I've been asking TONS of questions. I keep apologizing for being a pain in the butt then remind them that I don't want to waste their time either.
Do you think you could just email them about Wiszi and just say "I noticed her ad is still up. Are you more flexible on the price?"
GAhh!! I have taken 4 horses from babies to saddle trained, its a long process,(I still have three of them and the other one, well, my first, she died of old age at 29, naturally) and sometimes you dont get the horse you want.
I bet you are frustrated.
I hope the right one comes along soon!! Hang in there!!
I admire that you are sticking to your criteria! A youngster as we get older is just a PITA, LOL, especially when we just want to go, RIDE!!
I really dont like crooked legs, some of the lumps and bumps you can live with, as long as there are no lameness problems.
I sagged when I read this. These young horses have been out "a lot" but are still spooking so much? Ugh. I much prefer Arabians also, but I have come to appreciate the fairly solid mind of the big butted Appy that was given to me. I often fantasize about having another Arabian, but I also argue w/ myself do I want that silliness? I've had 3 Arabians, wonderful horses, but I'm getting kinda old for antics. My Appy sometimes can get nervous when we go to a strange place, but he doesn't have brain farts. I'm so used to Arabian brain farts, and I was rather amazed at this Appy's lack of them. I agree w/ the others, although I think maybe you should call the owners of the mare you like and don't sound apologetic but firm an confident! You never know. Who cares if they get insulted. They might just appreciate your confidence!
Oh, I'd sure walk away from those horses. That's not why I ride anymore, to survive. Too old. BTDT
Wah, sorry it didn't go better, that was a looooong trip! Can you revisit Wiszi? Is there anything you can barter for her to work the price down? Ummmm, how about you board her for them :). Good luck!
Well....dangnation. I know you had your hopes up, and so did we!
Funder, I am tempted to take the challenge, and probably will end up having to because I cannot afford a trained one unless I get lucky.
Evensong, I expect injuries on horses but these were all old and it really made it click why they had so many horses from Poland when they also breed their own. They're horse dealers.
Once Upon, I have no other prospects. To answer your questions I've been here since 2007 and my blog contains many of the cultural differences, especially around that time.
Annette, my "must-have" list is quite short, but breed is in there. I would have such an easier time if breed were not in there: Arabians are rare and for the wealthy here. Well, all horses in Germany are for the wealthy, but Arabs especially it seems.
Horsey, I did re-make my offer this week for Wiszi. They'll probably laugh at me but I had to try.
Dan, I think helmet use is the same as in America. The ones who understand the consequences of keeping their hair looking nice wear helmets. I did find it scary that the girls at that stable, the 3 I saw, all rode helmetless, and all on baby Arabians that jumped whenever someone made a sound/move.
Crystal, I want to do several years of hard riding on a horse so asking a horse 15 and up to do that, well, I feel bad about that.
Dreaming, I did make my offer again this week. Split reins are just one more oddity that adds to the feeling of insecurity riding a strange young horse. I'm bringing my own next time cuz I don't want to deal with that.
Leah, I did, and the bond I have with Baasha is once in a lifetime I think, "heart horse" does not express it adequately.
CG, I would get a yearling if I had the property for a young horse. We live on the side of a steep hill and there is not a single piece of flat land here, so I have nowhere to give a young horse training. That's the crappy part about this place, it's not really designed for horses, we've just forced it to be.
Lisa, I don't expect to immediately fall in love with a horse, and this is why I think the stable owners were confused that I just kept looking at hooves and legs. Some horses take time to learn to trust so I just don't care as long as the horse isn't obviously afraid of me (two have been so "OMGosh don't let HER buy me!!).
The bond with Baasha was instantaneous. I was the first person on his back and that was quite an experience. We had a lot of crazy dangerous times back then and I am hoping to not go thru that again with a 3 year old, but I realize that I can buy a 10 year old and get practically the same thing.
That is why I caved and considered Wiszi, even though she is only 5 and just started under saddle this year. I sent them my offer again this week.
CDN, from the looks of your property, it was totally worth the wait. And what you did was right, I've learned, I should have just asked for a confirmation, specifiying that they have exactly 10 horses that exactly match my criteria. I just trusted them when they said they did. Next time I'll say, "OK give me all their names, ages, prices, and training level." Then she would have had to realize oh, maybe it's not really 10 after all.
Reddunappy, you're right - a lump on a hind leg is no big deal to me, I'm not looking for a jumper and the lump wasn't even near the joints. However asking 3800E for a horse with 2 bowed tendons and over-at-the-knee, I think they're looking for a blind buyer (physically or emotionally).
K, I don't dare re-visit Wiszi, it would be torture. I've been there 3 times, enough to know I love her but don't think she's really worth almost 6K Euros, even if I had that much (but if I had that much I would go for it). The reason I don't think she's worth 6000E: she's slighly camped out in back, has photo-sensitivity issues, and is the least typy horse on their property - she barely even looks Arabian. Somehow they think she's breeding quality, pfft!
Aarene, yesterday I put up signs at the local tack/feed shops: WANTED: 1.) Araber 2.) Traber. We'll see who wins, hahhaha. (I also put down the age range and heights I prefer (a small Traber please!), as well as training level.)
ALSO....many of you have said "If you offer a lifetime home", or "If you show them your place", maybe Wiszi's owner's, e.g., will reconsider. This would work for private sellers, but these are big breeding farms that also deal in horses they did not produce. Wiszi is only in our area because they said they'd sell her for her breeder. The Polish Arabians, I feel that they don't care much for them, they didn't breed them, and they'd try to sell a little delicate horse like Allegro to a heavyweight rider and not even ask what I plan to do with him or where I'd keep him. They are horse dealers and they just want their profit. So my little document showcasing our farm has no influence.
One does not learn patience. One endures it.
I ride in split reins, but I cut mine. Seriously, I thought my horse was going to step on them. But I do love them.
How was Baasha when you first got him?
I have no advice, but I continue to wish for the right horse to find you...
GEEEZ Lytha, that was my first thought - did you hand them a bill for training their horse??
my other first thought was, 'she loves the thrill of riding young Arabians' - without a helmet on pavement!!!! braver and a better rider than me.
I agree with Horseyhabit - I would offer again for Wiszi. you never know. maybe they've been waiting the right person - and they haven't found her yet.
- The Equestrian Vagabond
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