Have you ever seen a horse who won't compete for food? Baasha is a horse who finds it better to stand back and wait until everyone's done, and then eat what is left, even when there are extra piles or extra room at the feeder. Food has never been a priority for Baasha. I remember Petra saying, "Oh you have to grab Baasha and PULL him over to the food and show him he can eat" and I thought, "That's why he's so thin, he isn't pulled to the food often enough by someone. " (*roll eyes*)
We've got this Icelandic pony here and she is low ranking as they promised, and has never made a face at Baasha, but it doesn't matter to him, he relinquishes food out of habit. I think the pony mare is surprised by her new powers to move bigger horses around. But I don't see her abusing this, she just walks over amicably and Baasha departs.
Will he figure it out, will this change? Time will tell - but how much time do I give it before I'm just fattening a neigbhor's pony and my horse starts to drop weight?
I won't even go to the shared shelter idea - our new run-in is closed for business until the two of them reach an understanding.
"Where am I?" she frantically explored the perimeter, something Baasha never did. (When Baasha first arrived here, he lay down and went to sleep on the grass.)
"Don't leave me!"
There are two other piles of hay but he watched her eat instead.
The best thing so far, which is unbelievable - when I give them each a bucket of beet pulp, she won't steal his after she's done. She stands there and stares at him but she won't take it. This is her lifetime habit of being low ranking, I suppose.
It's difficult for me to not know how this will work out. Will she figure out she can steal his mashes or will he figure out he doesn't have to give it to her?
This is why most people separate their senior horses at feeding times, or use nose bags. But here it's not just about food, it's about sharing a shelter and we did not build a shelter for a companion horse's exclusive use. We bought it specifically for two horses to use, understanding that they'd have to be good friends in order to share. I've seen Baasha share with horsey friends, so I know it's possible.
Since she kicked the crap out of him when they first met yesterday, he's too intimidated to be in closed spaces or even narrow areas with her. (It was really awful to see, he tried to defend himself and slipped and fell down and she ended up on top of him and he couldn't get up.) I would have returned her right then except that I believe she was being defensive of her space, not outright attacking him. Baasha just wants to be friends and his friendliness was too much for her.
ACK, while I was typing this I went out to take the horses to pasture. Since I'm afraid she'll founder on our grass, I separated them on different sections of the field. It took her 10 seconds to decide she'd rather be with Baasha and she just blasted through our fence. I guess she has so much hair electric fence doesn't bother her. (Ronny the Shetland colt used his thick fur to blast through fences, there was no containing him but he never went far. The neighbors all had individual complaints about finding him in their gardens. Oh dear Ronny, the last horse Baasha was ever the boss of!)
I guess the fact that I would not be able to separate her if I need to is relevant. I see a long walk home in our future. (I walked her here.)
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We do this sort of thing a lot here and it's been our experience that it takes several WEEKS for horses to fully work it out between themselves and to a degree you kind of have to turn your back because otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy worrying about it. Hope it works out !!
I agree with Jason, I think you have to give it some time to let them figure it out.
Has she been aggressive towards Baasha since that first time? She seems to want to be with him, since she's in a strange place and all. As for the stall, what if you put a divider in the middle, so they're together but not together? Would that help Baasha feel (be) safer? But your instinct is probably right to wait awhile for that...
Good luck!
Nadia hardly eats her hay anymore. When I turn her out with the others, she just stands there. So, I keep her separated from the others so she can leisurely eat. She loves her beet pulp mash though so I figure that is her way of getting enough calories.
Maybe Baasha is getting enough to eat without the hay? When he is alone, does he eat it all up? Can you separate them for a few hours a day, during feeding times?
Don’t be fooled by what books and people say about Icelandic’s…they are devil ponies (yes I know they are technically horses but still!) We have two Icelandic’s at our barn. They are full of the devil. They are usually separated from the big horses because they are just plain old mean towards them. For a short while the Icelandic’s were in the paddock with the big mares and they kept the mares from eating. When it was time to come in they were first by the gate and the big girls stayed as far away from them as possible. And the Sounds that come out of those little horses…wow can those little girls screech and holler!
They are cute little devils though but I’ve never had a good experience with them. Even last night I had one escape and I had to take off after her.
Hope it works out. Poor Baasha sure is having a hard time finding the right friend. Have you considered a different species? Poco's last buddy before Jaz was a goat, and they seemed quite happy.
What a hassle. I really admire your efforts at trying to find a special companion for Baasha. It's tough seeing our single horses without a friend or two. I've thought a lot about this for my Apache mare, too. But the extra work, extra money and complications keep preventing it. Thankfully she does share the fenceline with 4 other horses on one side and the llamas and goats on the other. So, that'll have to do for now.
Good luck.
~Lisa
hope it works out for Baasha and you. It sure would be nice to have a sompanion. If they can be together on pasture, maybe you can seperate them for feeding or if you put Baasha in at night or something. Lots of horses get along well enough without beating each other up, but still arent really friends, which is okay too.
Our mares are separated at mealtime because Hana is bossy + fat, and Fiddle isn't.
There is actually a gate they can go through to get back together again, but they have to leave their own pile of food, walk nearly an acre of ground to the gate, and walk back up the other side to the other horse's food...which, even after 6 months of this arrangement, they don't do. They pretty-much stay with their own food until it's gone, and then they go through the gate to hang out together.
When the barn is finished, they will have separate stalls + paddocks for nighttime and bad weather. But we have to feed them apart, else they spend all their time argueing and Fiddle doesn't eat--she just stands on a pile of food worrying about when Hana will come take it away from her. With the fence in between, they eat.
I just wanted to say I'm thinking of you, lytha. I'm so sorry you're having such trouble finding a friend for Baasha. I hope Jason is right and it just takes more time!
I imagine they would get it figured out with time but not being able to keep her off the grass when you need is definitely a big deal with a horse prone to founder. There seem to always be little quirks whenever trying to fit a new horse in. I wish you luck as you look for solutions.
How long has it been? They probably just need more time to get used to each other. Horses feel safest and happiest in a herd so unless the Icelandic is flat out aggressive Baasha will get used to her. I'm sure they will be friends in no time at all.
However, if she does try to kick again I'd consider taking her back. I had a filly a while back as a companion for Chrome and he approached her while she was eating and she kicked him in the face(she turned out to be food aggressive). I got lucky and she only got him with her hock so it didn't break anything although for a while he couldn't chew and I thought his jaw was broken. If she hasn't tried to kick him again though I'd just leave them alone to sort things out. Good luck!!
Oh and I almost forgot to ask, do they have an old gelding? Sometimes I think geldings get along with other geldings better than mares. Especially a low ranking gelding. Keep us updated!
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