Sunday, January 8, 2012

Regal Baasha and a worming question for you

I cannot get over how awesome he looks and feels with his clip. The worst part is just that he has to wear a blanket so I cannot gaze upon his body for lengths of time - too cold out.



It's been 55F and rainy - a real Seattle Winter, but still too cold for a clipped horse to be naked more than a few seconds as I inspect him and hug him.



You can see I did a terrible job with those clippers, but I'll learn.

He's hiding from the camera.






He just looks so refined, I had no idea. I do admit to this bit of vanity but my reasoning is justified I believe...I will let you know how shedding season goes for us. I actually dressed him up in my favorite scarf and no hair got on it. He looked adorable in my scarf. I sure wish I had a show halter for some really nice photos!

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Funder made a monster in November. I started feeding store-bought treats and now he's always nosing my pockets. Nosing my pockets does not ever get him anything, but he can smell them there. He doesn't nudge me but he does put his nose there and plead. He has to do tricks to get them and he's been doing his tricks (shake hands, etc) better than ever. But it's so sad for him when my pockets are empty. Carrots never got this behavior from him.


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Can you tell me if his hood is adjusted properly? I have it a bit loose I think but I don't want there to be pressure when he eats. How high up on the neck should hoods lie? I know all about blanket fitting but hoods are new for me.

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This morning Baasha had blood on his pastern and I am glad he's clipped because it was so much easier to wash and treat the sore. I am so curious how he hurt himself - it was definitely last night because I did his feet last night and didn't see the blood. The stall is so utterly smooth and safe I have no idea---wait, maybe he kicked himself trying to get up? It's possible I think. He does lay down every night.

Then my man said that he might not have cut himself at all if he still had thick Winter hair on his legs. Hm. (You might have noticed there is a cut on the other pastern too - I wonder what happened last night?)


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I also love my camera. It lets me get "close" to Baasha from far away, so he loses that annoyed camera face. I understand why he hates cameras if you think about it - we always face the horse, hold still (hold our breath) and aim something at him. It is a predatory thing. I'm amazed that some horses seem to like cameras. But with this one I can get far away so he relaxes.

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I have a question for you horse bloggers. Normally I'd worm with Praziquantal in December but then I realized I see no sign of tapeworms. I see them clearly in my cat (disgusting), from all the mice she eats, so she gets wormed often. Do horses with tapeworms also show those signs? You know the ones I mean, the ones you can capture in a jar and watch them move around? (Not that I've done that...)

I have backed down on my worming due to the fact he lives alone, but I still give Ivermectin in Winter. What about the Praziquantal?

UPDATE: After doing some reading I found that tapeworms do not show themselves like in the cat's case, and they usually do not show in fecal exams, only blood tests and autopsies. Also I was reminded that they come from mites (the mite is the first host). Interesting, because I'd never experienced mites back in Seattle but here they make sores on Baasha's legs in Summer. The sores look like scratches except they appear all over the fetlock, not just where water collects.

Source 1: Using the FEC to detect tapeworms is not reliable.  Tapeworms infrequently shed segments which may contain eggs (needed for detection).  In comparison, other intestinal worms shed eggs almost continuously.

Source 2: Checking dung samples a day after dosing horses for tapeworms provides a reliable way of detecting tapeworm infestation, Japanese researchers have found. A pre-worming faecal egg count is not considered a reliable way of detecting infestation <...>because the eggs are released intermittently.

And now for another answer to one of my questions: Why didn't I ever worm Baasha for tapeworms until recently? Hmmmm..

Source 3: While we’ve always known that horses can be infested with tapeworms, traditionally, we haven’t done much about it. First of all, they are very difficult to diagnose. Fecal flotation tests that are commonly used to diagnose other horse internal parasites, such as roundworms and bloodworms, are not effective in diagnosing tapeworms. Secondly, although tapeworms were commonly seen during abdominal surgery, they were thought to be innocent bystanders that caused no real problems for the horse. Only recently have researchers determined that as high as 22 percent of spasmodic (gas) colic and nearly 80 percent of ileocecal (the junction between the end of the small intestine and the opening to the cecum) impactions are associated with tapeworms. Thirdly, no FDA-approved treatment has been commercially available to rid horses of tapeworms. (until 2004 when the drug was developed--so that's why!)

I think I have a theory about why they show up in the cat and not the horse. Could they be a whole 'nother species???

Yah.

15 comments:

Camryn said...

By the time you actually can see tape worms they have a pretty full load of them. With tapes it's best to knock em out before they get that bad. Just recently had this discussion with my Vet.
And of course seeing that the cat has had them, they'll be in your soil for certain.

Bakersfield Dressage said...

Here's an article that my vet wrote about deworming. It's pretty interesting and might help you out. Go to the link and scroll down to the first article. http://www.bakersfielddressage.com/articles.html

Karen

Dreaming said...

Sorry, I can't help you in fitting the hood. It sounds like you found your own answer about tapeworms and deworming. This year I did take samples in for FEC's. Both horses had very low counts so were wormed with a basic paste wormer. I do use a paste that is effective on tape worms once a year.
Tell me more about the care packages you are interested in receiving.

hainshome said...

Hey, remember the black cat I had- her name was Alice? I'll always remember my experience with tapeworms from her. I had what looked like sesame seeds in my bed. When I figured out they were coming from the cat, I took a ziploc baggie of them to the vet. The vet said it was tapeworm segments. Yuck! But I do remember it was a one or two-pill treatment- easy. I think if you're seeing wormy-looking things in your cat's poo, it may be a diff. kind of worm. Just my guess.
-the sister

EvenSong said...

Looks like you found your answer to the worming question, so I'll address hoods (as if I have ever used one ;-D). In the earlier photos in the post, it looks just about right--the front edge snugs right up into the corresponding line of Baasha's jaw. In the photo where you ask the question, however, it seems to have slipped quite a ways back. If this slippage is common, then I would think maybe it's a bit loose. Bottom line, of course, is if Baasha is cozy and comfy in it...

lytha said...

Camryn, I'll be going to the vet this week to get the tapeworm medicine. I don't know why I'm so fascinated by deworming and worm issues in general. Have you seen that worm that exists only in eyes? I saw one wiggling around in a frog eye, absolutely disgusting.

Speedy, Thanks for the article, I read it: )

Dreaming, I wonder what you mean by a basic paste wormer?

I will do a sidebar thing about the items I want, I'm desperate!

Becky, as a kitten Alice was sitting on my shoulder as I made Top Ramen and she jumped into the boiling water. Poor thing, stupid me! What a great name for a cat. You always have these great vampire, Star Trek, and 80s bands names for your animals. Different kind of worm altogether, you're right!

Evensong, the hood looks to fit perfectly when he's looking straight ahead, like you said, but when he turns/stretches one way or the other, it doesn't look like it fits. It was on the small size accoring to the product fitting guide, that is why I ask. And cuz I'm a newbie to this.

Tara said...

The neck cover looks fine, you will know if it is to loose, as it will slip to far back, but that looks like it is staying where it should be. All theones I have ever seen fit like that, not staying up against the ears, there are hoods, that cover the face, but I don't think I have ever seen a turnout hood, just stable blanket ones...
I have a turnout blanket for Boo that has a neck cover attached, won't ever come off unless tore off, lol....Come to think, I don't have any pics of him in it, lol...maybe I ought to put it on him and take a few. Bought it back in 2006 when we moved from CA to IL and needed a heavyweight blanket for him. There is such a huge diffrence in winter temps..the blanket is 350gms...
Tara

Sonya said...

Worms creep me out! Taking a sample for a FEC tomorrow morning and will be doing a dose for tapes too. YUCK! Looking forward to your list of things you are missing from home!

Oak Creek Ranch said...

I recently tried a horse (I'm horse shopping too) and the dressage trainer/rider was a young thing from Germany with a beautiful seat -- and argyle socks worn outside her breeches with paddock boots. I saw it first on your blog!

Lana said...

Lytha, I am VERY interested in becoming blog/care package buddies with you!! I lived in Germany for 3 years (about 20 years ago) and gave birth to my first child at Bitburg Kraunkenhaus (sp?). We lived in Niersbach and then in Speicher. I'd be delighted to mail care packages to you and for me to get a few little German things from you, especially simple things, like the coasters from a Gausthaus. We could make this fun and I might be able to send you some things from America that you are craving. I've been in your shoes. I remember what it was like and how very critical my care packages had been to me.

Here's to the start of a new friendship.

Lana
www.FarmLifeLessons.blogspot.com
findinglana@yahoo.com

Crystal said...

Looks like his hood is fitting right, I never had a hood on a horse but now we been riding so much in winter I think its important cause otherwise all they do is sweat on the neck which has the thickest fur so it gets coered now and seems to work better.

Sonya said...

You can message me as well at sonyavann@aol.com about care packages!

Tara said...

I Shared a pic of Boo with his blanket that has a neck cover on,

http://collieful-living.blogspot.com/2012/01/boo-in-his-heavy-blanket.html

And, I too wouldn't mind exchanging items, :)
Tara

Dom said...

I don't clip faces for exactly that reason, but Ozzy ends up looking like a bobble head with his neck clipped and not his head. Haha. Baasha looks adorable with his hood, and it looks like it fits just fine.

Looks like you already got your answers to worming, but I had to deal with tapeworms in a rescue horse last year and they are NOT easy to diagnose or get rid of.

HHmstead said...

So what kind of temperatures are you experiencing? I usually clip Khari's face a month before our first ride, she hates having her head sweaty. We use a daily wormer, with Zimecterin spring & fall.