A homlier Arabian I have never met, but she was a sweetheart on the ground. This is a 7 year old mostly Egyptian Arabian. Her owner, a very tall man, is meticulous with her care.
In fact, I've never seen someone groom a horse so thoroughly, in particular, the hooves. He took forever on each hoof. He scraped, he brushed, he dug into the white line as much as he could, he brushed some more, each hoof was pristine when he finally set it down. I am a pretty good hoof cleaner, when I take the time to use a brush and betadine, but I don't do this every time like he apparently does. Do you see her "Seabiscuit" leg here?
The mare was lipping my hand and standing very politely, she has very good manners. He saddled her and we went to the arena.
He is a good horseman - he spent at least 10 minutes warming her up at a walk and bending her and doing serpentines. He is a Phillipe Karl follower, I appreciate that! That's why he rides so "out of her mouth" - he rides with his seat and legs.
He rides with no rein contact, using his seat and legs and torso position to steer.
When I got on, he directed me to use my torso to turn her, and my hips. It was wonderful, like having a riding lesson, and it really worked, the mare is sensitive to the slightest postural/weight change.
She has that prancy walk/trot like Bedina, a horse I rode a few months ago that hangs each hoof in the air in suspension before setting it down again. A very labor intensive but pretty quirk.
This mare is named Bint Marena and her pedigree is full of the same Egyptians as Baasha's. The man was astute enough to know what Bint means.
She's so homely, isn't she? And I have to wonder about a man who looks about 7 feet tall riding a horse who, although advertised as 153 cm, is shorter than Baasha (150).
I did some turns on the haunches with her and some nice serpentines, she's really well started. She responds to your thoughts, your intentions in your body.
I don't know why she wears a shanked snaffle. I asked and he said she just likes it. I found it hard to ride with "no hands" because this bit was really a monster, but I managed (except on the trail).
I also noted she has the most upside-down neck of any horse I've ever met, despite his gentle, no hands riding. I wonder why. The topline of her neck is completely atrophied, sunken, as neglected horses' necks often hang.
Hooves.
She has these tiny black size 0 hooves that are so incredibly resilient, she is a true gravel cruncher.
--I'm sorry that these images do not reflect the story sequentially. I only took a few while I was there and then used the sale photos. I know it's confusing to read!--
As we hit the trail (him on a 4 year old Andalusian), I marvelled at how she just carried on, striding out over jagged rock and even a section of trail that had been recently laid with broken roofing tiles. Seriously, we were riding on solid broken ceramic shards, and she just carried on with her tiny black hooves. (Which are admittedly very uneven but they are not barefoot people, they just realize that this horse doesn't seem to need shoes so they let her go. I told him it would be a shame if a buyer put shoes on such wonderful feet and he admitted he would do it if he put her into endurance training. I said there are some wonderful hoof boots on the market. I hope he heard me.)
Then we came to a field that had been recently mowed and had big plastic shrink-wrapped bales of silage/haylage everywhere. Since the man had advertised her as "Beginner safe", I had no worries. But his young grey horse started fretting and then suddenly bolted down the road. At this my horse started fretting and started to bolt, and for some unknown reason I turned her into the woods. Maybe some twisted logic in my head thought that banging into trees would be nicer than uncontrolled road racing. I have no idea, but I found myself tangling in bushes and trees and the mare was freaking out and tripping over large stumps, and she was not only terrifed of the hay bales, she was now missing her friend. Great.
As she continued bouncing around, I went past the point where I thought I could ride it out. I considered that I might die today, so I planned my emergency dismount and did it. I was pretty shook up.
The man turned his horse around finally and came back and found me on the ground and asked if she had reared or knocked me off. I said, "Reared? No."
I walked a bit and got back on. To be honest I had had enough and wanted to go back. I'd spent my Saturday off work driving to another state and I just wanted to go home and spend time with Baasha.
But I got back on and rode further, wherever he wanted to go. At one shallow hill (they're all shallow in Niedersachsen), the mare tried to take off. I spent a great deal of energy and scolded her a bit, trying to keep her at a walk. He says he always runs here.
We talked about endurance riding, what he and his wife sometimes do, at the lower levels. He told me about the beach endurance ride at the North Sea. They camp on a Standardbred racing track the whole weekend. Cool, huh? His wife does endurance on a Haflinger. Isn't that odd? He says that a Haflinger won an endurance ride recently - I love it when a non-Arab wins, it's something special.
When we got back we re-groomed the horses immaculately again, with all the hoof scraping, picking and brushing as before. My goodness! Then we took them to pasture and he told me his release process. He says we should turn the horses toward us, then give them one slice of apple, then remove the halter, then give them the second slice and say the word "Prima". OK, I don't really understand the use of the word Prima (except that I sometimes say "Good boy" when my horse sighs and relaxes, automatically), but I did it. And you know what, it was a really nice trick. The horses did not take off, nor did they even leave us - they kind of just hung out around us until we left, and then they walked off. A very safe method of turning out.
I was fascinated by the barn (as always) - it was brick with huge windows facing outward to the parking area where I parked. Many horses stuck their heads out as I drove up. The windows seem big enough that a feisty horse could leave. The barn had some stalls with those ceiling-to-floor bars for feeding hay. One mare with a baby was eating straw, the baby too, and her trough was full of "corn hash" - what I saw in a huge plastic wrapped round bale outside - ground up entire corn plants. Apparently they don't taste as good as straw bedding.
The barn was the same building as the house, what I really am jealous of! One door separated them, and a black room with black soot held a big black tank. I thought it was an oil tank but he said it was a wood burning furnace that heats the entire house. I said "They put wood in? Every day?" "Yes." I looked up into the barn rafters where straw was poking through the holes, and the rafters were black with soot above the stalls. How risky is this situation - you build a fire every day, IN YOUR BARN? OK, I need to see the whole picture - in Germany, many homes and barns share the same building, so if they make a fire in their woodstove, technically they are building it in their barn/home. I don't know, this just seemed especially unsafe considering the entire roof of the barn was black with soot from the fires.
He was anxious to hear my opinion about his mare. I told him honestly I'm concerned about her right front leg. She's got a Seabiscuit front leg (over at the knee), and it never slowed Seabiscuit down, but I'm not sure it's prudent to buy a horse with that. He seemed reasonable about a pre-purchase exam, (fail: seller pays. passes: buyer pays).
Do you see how she tends to not weight that leg?
But it's more than just the leg.
I drove home at 160 kph (very fast) and went out to my pasture and sat on the grass, watching Baasha nibble grass, with my cat purring and rubbing on me, and I thought, "It's so good to be alive tonight."
I stayed out there until darkness fell. I cleaned Baasha's feet meticulously and brushed his mane while he ate his dinner. It's this horse, my horse, Baasha, I really wish to ride. *sigh*
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Is it just the one foreleg? Makes me wonder about an old injury or something. (Or just folded up wrong in the womb...)
The first photo, she did look rather homely--the fly fringe didn't help--and yes her neck looks wonky. I wonder if some work in a regular snaffle and some contact, asking her to go on the bit some, would build it up better. Some of the later photos looked a lot better.
Other than the obviously scary moments leading up to the emergency dismount, it sounded like she was a fairly nice ride. Would you ever be able to trust her, after that? My current relationship with Maddie is colored by her momentary stupids...
Other than the bolt into the woods sounds promising, if all other things were good, i.e the conformation.
Glad you survived the bolt. Do you think it would have turned out differently if you hadn't of turned into the woods?
Boy does she look like she could use some love!
Wow, such adventure. I'm a bit shocked he took you on a green himself!!
She's just massively underdeveloped, I think. He's just too big for her and with a bit she can't take hold of - ever
- no wonder her topline and neck developing are lacking.
It's a little discouraging to see that bit on her, and definetly makes one wonder.
Huh, well...sorry for missed time with that Grey wonder horse ...keep your chin up.
An adventure - one you probably could have done without.
Dan
I haven't read your blog long enough to know why you can't ride Basha. Is he lame? I know the feeling of having a beloved horse that has just gotten too old to do the job I want him to do, but most of my older horses I can get on and poke around if I want. Is Basha beyond even light riding?
Even *I* can see the wonky leg...and yet, if a knowledgeable endurance vet clears her, I wouldn't worry about it much. Fiddle has a (less obviously) wonky leg that swings wide when she's cruising down the trail--it travels straight when she is collected. Also, I'm sure you remember Blaze, your sister rode him early in his career--he had an INCREDIBLY wonky LF leg--visible at a distance, and he moved funny as heck. He wracked up an impressive endurance record with all kinds of riders anyhow--I even rode him on a 30 miler when he was about 19.
Dressage will help this mare round that back and balance that neck. I agree that the lack of contact has allowed her to "sag" in the neck, and you can fix that with dressage practice--well within your skill set.
But the most important thing of all: will she love Baasha the way she should?
Fingers crossed.
I think I may have missed something. I don't understand why you don't ride Baasha anymore. He's not that old for riding. Heck. There are endurance horses that are in their late 30's that still compete. And as you know, for Arabians, they tend to not only live longer than many other horses, they also are stronger and healthier, too.
You've taken such good care of him, especially his beautiful, strong feet, I'm just confused why he can't be ridden anymore.
As for this mare, I know you'll think I'm crazy, but there's something about her that I really like. I can't even put a finger on it. She is homely and she doesn't have pretty ears, neck or even a pretty head shape. But when she runs, she has spirit and she looks willing.
It must have been scary riding a horse that was so spooked about the plastic wrapped hay/silage, especially since you weren't sure what she might do next. But do you think that Baasha would have been fearless around the hay/silage?
You are an excellent rider, case in point, knowing how to ride out a spook, or choose when it's best to get off. I think you could handle this mare and help her become something amazing. And I think she would bond with you and you two would have a very special relationship together.
I do see the knee issue, but in most of the photos it doesn't even seem noticeable. She sure seems to move well despite it.
Only a PPE would tell you for sure if it was an issue.....and if she failed, than you wouldn't lose anything.
Excuse me for being presumptuous, but, despite being less than attracted to her, perhaps your sub-conscious feels that this mare is truly something special, and you're feeling like you're just not ready yet to commit or give up your dreams of riding Baasha? Perhaps you have a vision in your mind of what you want in a horse and your standards are so high, that you're not able to look beyond them.
I did this when looking for a dog after being dog-less for over 10 years after our old dogs died. I knew what I wanted and what I didn't want and spent months searching. Even when my Dobbie claimed me as her own, I wouldn't accept it because she didn't match my vision. She was so homely and strange looking. But I couldn't get her out of my mind, and finally went back and adopted her. And now....she is my canine soul mate.
Like I said, I can't put my finger on it, but there is something about this mare that seems very promising.
Don't rule her out, k?
~Lisa
You and Baasha spent a lot of special times together, but you also put a lot of riding time into him, which is why he's such a great horse. Any horse that can ride around the fish markets and cities in Washington and then travel to Germany and tear up the woods is a pretty neat horse.
I was just thinking about this subject your wrote about while shoveling manure a few minutes ago. You know how I spent years looking for a riding partner on the trails, only to give up and ride alone? Well, I decided I prefer to ride alone, because if another rider's horse spooks, it's a chain reaction and more difficult to get things under control than if you are alone and your horse spooks.
Anyway, my neighbor has been pestering me to ride with one of her boarders, and I told her I'd rather not. I saw her boarder riding today... no helmet, texting on her mobile phone, not holding the reins, riding in the street, and I thought, "Well, she certainly is confident that her horse won't spook. Maybe I'll give her a chance."
Then I read this. Maybe I'm better off riding alone.
I'm happy you are okay....the search continues! I can't remember why can't you ride Baasha too old for insurance?
I'm sorry she took off with you; no matter how great a rider you are, it's no fun :/.
I'm with everyone else though. . . why is it that you don't ride Baasha anymore?
Well over at the knee is better than under, conformation wise. I thought too, if its only one leg??
She is a bit ewe necked.
I really didnt think she was very homely, LOL.
From the pictures you have shown, the Arabs over there dont look as "show refined" as American Arabs, which isnt a bad thing at all!!!
Dang sorry about the dismount, that is disconcerting :0/ Hope you arent to sore after!
Hang in there, you will know when its right!!
If anyone knows about homely Arabians, it would be me. My poor Jaz has the worst of all possible faults for an Arabian: a coarse head. Otherwise, he's not terrible, he's just not very refined.
I kind of like this mare :-)
She really is a homely thing. It's a shame you had such a rough time on the trail because it sounded like she had great heart (and foot) before that. The leg is worrisome, although I've seen worse conformed horses do well in all manner of sports. As for the Haflinger bit... I know a woman who competes VERY successfully with a Haffie. They are super cute to watch.
She's not gorgeous, no argument here. But she's not that fugly either. I actually kinda like her... but that may be her pretty bay colour, and then the white star.
I miss my mare.
Which brings me to my other thought, I totally empathize with how you feel about not being able to ride Baasha. Those last couple days before I put Cessa down I was contemplating one last ride but I just couldn't risk hurting her. I didn't want her to suffer at all in her last days.
Also, I REALLY want to see this endurance ride at the beach, with a camp at a standie racetrack!
Even with the dismount, I'm glad that you got back on. I think that was good for you and for the mare!
I love his turnout procedure. Every time I turn out a horse I hear an instructor from the past say something about this being the most dangerous part of riding!
Hooray for a Haflinger winning!
I wrote a comment to all of you, very thoughtfully, I thought, and blogger ate it: (
Evensong, thank you for your astute observation, and I appreciate that Maddie is not the simplest horse to ride (they say "complicated" in German). You're right that proper snaffle training/cavaletti will fix her topline. I had to tell the seller no because she didn't just have a wonky leg, she refused to put weight on it. She was resting a front leg continually, which to me is a warning sign. Even when he picked up a rear hoof, she shifted her weight and that right front was hovering overground, trembling. She's sound, but doesn't stand on that leg. (!!?)
Jeni, I wish I could reason with my instinct, why did I do that? I've been asking myself. I think I saw the other horse bolt, and calculated that he may NEVER STOP, so I turned my horse into the trees to stop her. Silly logic, I don't know. I probably would have stayed on if I'd let her just run down the road, but I could not know when the man would regain control over the Andalusian. These ponderings keep running thru my head...
Kacy, I know, I'm tempted, totally. But for that leg. I even would love to take on the challenge and turn her topline around with a snaffle. She's not just underdeveloped, though, she's what I call "Wispy" - a light wind would knock her down. My fragile Baasha could accidentally push her over, I think. Hooves, legs, body, she's a breath of a horse. Perfect for a lightweight rider. Which I will never be: ( I know, I'm totally curious why such a fine rider uses such a bit on a horse. There is some mystery there! Thank you so much for the encouragement. I appreciate it.
Dan, You said it. I'm so sick of these journeys that take up an entire day of my precious weekend!
Aarene, Blaze, what a wonderful horse. You should put your stories on your sidebar. See above about the leg - and about Baasha, I plan to separate during mash feeding so he can finish his. I wish I had your setup with this fence that goes way out and then ends, so they can be together after meals, naturally, what a great system you have!!
I never knew that lack of contact could create a ewe neck. I would think false contact (false aids?) would. But here we have it. I don't know the full story, I wish I did. It seemed really odd, this great quiet, gentle rider, on this young Arabian, they were very calm, but she is obviously developing incorrectly. I have no idea.
OK now I know, the comment was too long. Geez.
Lisa. You missed only that I said Baasha has arthritis. You, and no one else, ever heard me type that he has ringbone. It's too painful for me to talk about. I could ride him gently if we lived in a flat area. Unfortunately, we live in one of the hilliest regions of Germany. Our front lawn is at an awkward angle, and everything else, moreso. He's only sound on flat land. If I had a rig, I'd drive him to a flat region and ride him. But I'm not that far.
I know she's compelling, this mare. I was drawn in too, to help her with her body issues, and her lack of brain issues on the trail. But that leg thing (see above). I'm sorry to say I said no - she would not weight that leg. Seabiscuit was crooked as heck, but he at least used that leg.
I admit my subconsious is comparing, like you did with your beloved dog. In fact, this is why I do not own a dog today. No dog can compare to my GSD. Except that I've had years to deal with the problem of Baasha's arthritis. I have to find another horse. The silly thing is, I was so connected with that big horse Wiszi, I compare all others to her. But a good standard she set.
I'm happy that you found your special dog. She is funny looking but the quality, the connection she has to you is inexplicable. It makes her beautiful, and I see it in her eyes.
NM, you remember me riding Baasha downtown! Ah, I'm so glad. I still cannot believe we did that without incident. (Not to recommend!) I understand your troubles, trying to find a riding partner. It's so hard! When I finally did, they were gold. I hope you find someone but it's better to be alone than with a guy like I rode with Saturday, who thinks it's not worth teaching the horses hard lessons, because "They're herd animals, end of story."
Frau, Mellimaus, please see above for that answer.
Reddunappy - You're right about that conformation issue! My vet said it too. A bit ewe necked is being very generous! *Lol* There are also show Arabs here, but I think they have different rules about show prep/trimming --bridle paths might not be allowed. (?) However, don't forget about that fancy Russian Arabian farm near me that was way out of my league! The horses made my jaw drop.
Leah, I love Jaz. I'm like his biggest fan outside of the states, I think. Unless you're like me and only publish the 10% of photos that look great, hehehe. I think he's refined, and sturdy, and a wonderful companion for you. I hope that he stays healthy!!
Dom, The haffies are all fat around here, but I guess most horses look fat to me. I may have a Standie.....
Cndcowgirl, you're so funny, "no argument there". But I thought of you today, you and Cessa. You know how I feel, totally. I just want to jump on..*AGH*
Aarene, the guy said that even that ride had 30% asphalt. Can you imagine doing one third of an endurance ride on pavement? But I promise I will try it someday, that northsea ride. I just might go overtime cuz I'm off leading my horse over concrete.
Dreaming, I will try to remember that turnout procedure. Always something to learn...
I just want to say thank you for your reply. I was worried you might have thought I was being too presumptuous and also too prying. I didn't want to offend. And I'm relieved you didn't take it that way.
I just could feel (strange as that may seem) some underlying currents wafting about under the surface of your last post, and I had so many questions and ponderings.
Thank you for your honest answers. I am so sorry about Baasha's ringbone. How terribly heartbreaking that must be for you...and for him. Because I know he must long for those long rides across the countryside like you two enjoyed when you finally got him moved to Germany.
I so loved reading about those long, adventurous trail rides.
But what is this I discover, tucked away, like a little nugget of gold among your comment replies...
"I may have a Standie....."
*sitting on the edge of my seat*
I must know more! But don't jinx anything if you're not ready to share just yet.
Eeeeee! How incredibly exciting!
~Lisa
As for the turnout procedure...Let me tell you a story:
Once upon a time, in another lifetime, I worked for the captain of the U.S. three-day team. When he went off to the world championships, I was left in charge of a barn full of Olympic caliber (expensive) horses. I worked 6 days a week, but had Sundays off, when another young gal came in to feed and muck. She let each horse out in a one-acre grass paddock, one at a time, while she did their stall. One Monday I came in to the barn to find a $40,000 horse (the least expensive of the bunch) with a huge gash across his right flank and hip! The Sunday gal never said anything about it, so we assumed it happened in the barn somehow. Until... a few weekends later I had to stop by the barn for something, and to my horror, I saw her lead a horse to the paddock, open the gate, drop his halter, and smartly spank him on the butt as he flew through the gate!! Turns out the injured horse had caught his hip on that square-cornered metal gate on his way through. Girl got fired, gate got replaced.
All my horses turn to face the gate before I drop the halter. Usually they wait to see if there's a treat--sometimes there is, sometimes not (random reinforcement schedule for desired behavior).
She's definitely a homely horse. Good call passing on her with that weird leg.
It took about a year and a half for me to really truly bond with Dixie after Champ died. Hopefully you will find one like Wiszi that you click with instantly, but if not, it'll come with time. I don't mean you should buy a lame horse, just that you might not love your new perfectly sound good-minded horse right away. It's so hard!
Asphalt sounds so awful, but I have seen and ridden some really hard fire roads out here. I think I would rather ride miles and miles on asphalt instead of miles and miles on some of our gravel roads. (Booted not shod, of course - I really think shoes amplify concussion.)
I am just now catching up on your posts. so sorry for the dismount. There is always a ORS--one rein stop, one of the first things I school my horses in. I think there is a better horse waiting for your somewhere. This little mare does not appeal to me. I want a horse that responds to hands, legs, seat. Nothing wrong w/ being able to go up into the bit. I have an Appy that was given to me, and I have to ride him on a loose rein with a mullen mouth pelham, but he still knows how to break at the poll and round his back on a loose rein. Have you considered a breed other than an Arabian? I know, I know, I still want another one, you get totally spoiled, but perhaps you should expand your options. And I do appreciate you sharing your journey w/ us.
I really enjoy your blog and your craziness over horses...
Long time lurker here...
I am so sorry about Basha.
My 7 yr old shattered his coffin bone and developed lower articular ringbone (the largest break went straight into the joint). He was off for a year: stall rest 6 months, paddock rest the remaining time. He developed ringbone the last 3 months of his layoff year.
My vet suggested keeping the joint moving in a low impact manner and to avoid hard surfaces as well as doing too many tight lateral or turning movements. He did not proscribe hills, in fact my horse's pasture is on a steep hill. My vet said that my horse would probably ridable - if managed well - until his mid twenties or so. My vet has several clients whose horses had lower articular ringbone and still competed in lower level dressage until their early 20's.
My horse was cleared for moderate riding on a well groomed soft surface or walking only on harder outside surfaces. Emphasis was on moderating riding around what my horse was comfortable with. He gets special trimming (higher break over/slightly elevated heel on the injured foot). He is also on Cosequin ASU (with the avocado extract). He gets occasional bute - for really cold days below 40 F or when he seems a little stiff.
I am able to ride 4 days a week - lots of walking, trot, and cantering - all in my flat arena. Outside, on the hills, we just walk, and do maybe one or two short canters. No lameness episodes a year of riding after the ringbone diagnosis. I do dressage, with lots of shoulder ins, counter shoulder in, travers,and renvers work to both supple and warm my boy up at the walk.
I realize that Basha is a lot older than my horse..and there might other factors for laying him off. I don't mean to second guess you or your vet...I just wanted to share my horse's story...hoping that it might help in some way.
Good luck with Basha...and also with your new horse search :) Wish that German market was like ours (in the States) as Arabians are selling for almost nothing...even well broke nationals level horses are going for under a thousand...
Mary
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