Sunday, September 25, 2011

Conformation clinic

You are all invited to take part in my conformation clinic today.

My eyes lie. The camera doesn't...when we're talking about conformation. But this camera did me an injustice today - this mare is gorgeous, and the pictures are just awful. I don't know what my problem is but you'll just have to take my word for it!

Funny how my first impressions of a horse don't allow me to see certain things.

I met the russian bred Arabian mare today. When I saw her in the field I thought Oh dear, if she's as sweet as she is pretty...

She is. She wasn't offended when I picked up all 4 of her hooves even though two of them were painful with scratches (we had a wet summer). Instead, she moved her nose to my face and exhanged breath with me for several moments. I've never had a horse initiate this horse greeting and I have to admit, it's a powerful experience.

But she was mannerly too, for 5, and moved away at a finger touch on her body. And she's huge. They say 15.1 but she must be more based on where her back was when I stood next to her. That she had just completed a two day ride was most interesting to me - how did she behave in the group? More importantly, how did she behave when separated from the group?

The breeder said she is easy to rate even when others are cantering, and she might call, but is easy to manage when other horses leave her alone on the trail. They said they practice separation on the trail a lot.

They are not the owners, they are the breeders. The owner had an injury and asked them to ride her and sell her. They said if they did not have 30 of their own horses, they would definitely keep this mare. They say she is that much fun to ride.

We got talking about brands and he brought out his Arabian branding irons. The ox means purebred, the others mean Shagya and Anglo Arab. Next year it will be illegal to brand any horse in Germany, due to animal rights activists saying it hurts them. All animals must be chipped instead. I know branding does not hurt (the horses barely notice) and I know a thief cannot see a microchip.

This mare let me touch her all over, and when I got to her girth area I felt swelling and heat and the mare flinched, but did not snark at me for what must have hurt. I said, "Did you ride her in a neoprene girth?" "Yes." "I have had this issue too - they're great for short rides but for long ones they build a lot of heat."

The mare was started in December at 4.5 years old. They say she has no vices and jumps right into a horse trailer even alone.

I kept taking pics of her legs cuz I saw that her right front turns out immediately. I wonder if that is a potential problem? Baasha has this too but I don't know if it affected him over his life.

Her shoeing was not so good. I wanted to get the shoes off and trim her and then take pictures of her legs to see the difference. She had flare on all four feet. I think she could have beautiful feet if given a chance. Her feet are at least a size 2.

I wanted to ride but she was tired from the two-day ride and that wouldn't have been a very good test anyway.

So I'll go back next Saturday and they will take me on a trail ride.

Now for the main issue I saw: She's camped out behind in all the photos I took of her. The thing is, I don't know how this affects soundness. There are some conformational flaws that do not inhibit a horse's athletic ability (over at the knee is one example - many horses do fine with this).

Then I had to think of Medina, the 7 year old Straight Egyptian grey mare I looked at and watched being ridden. My first impression couldn't see past her color and size (14.2). But check out this photo. She is fabulously built, with almost perfect legs and feet (too-high hocks is the main thing I see). I know you are not supposed to look at color but I know I will regret it the next 20 years if I get another grey. Her price is 2500Euros.

In the case of Medina, the camera improved her.

With the bay, the camera made me wonder. The bay is 6K Euros (no worries I'd never pay that much for a horse. They're family members, not cars).

Please share your thoughts about your experiences with these conformation issues, I'm curious.

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OH but then I got to meet the father, Prognoz!

He has the biggest eyes I've ever seen on an Arabian horse, and he's way prettier in real life. The mare did not inherit his eyes, sadly.

Cameras were not made to honestly reflect God's finest creation.

P.S. I altered the brightness and contrast on all of these photos because they were washed out for some reason.

12 comments:

AareneX said...

Fee has a turned-out foot, and finished strongly in her first season of LD's and her first season of endurance (250 miles this year in 50's, 130 miles last year in LD).

Hana has perfect-looking legs, and is permanently retired after not finishing strongly in her single season (150 miles and she's finished--sound enough for regular life but not sound enough for endurance).

So, straight lines aren't everything, nor is a fancy pedigree--Hana is a CMK Arab, and Fiddle isn't.

What I like about the bay: she is built strongly. I don't mind "camped out" (I started life with TB's, and they always are) as long as the horse moves forward well and can get those feet under to push. It's been my experience that abdominal strength has a lot to do with that. Dressage helps, and you're good with that.

I like the bay's attitude, and I like the solid and balanced (but not brick-like) look of her. This horse is not a dainty flower.

The grey: looks like a brick on top of toothpicks to my eye. Her legs look adequate to the task of carrying her around, but I'd like better balance between leg bone and body size.

Of course, YMMV, and wiser heads than mine are hopefully ready with their commentary. I just wouldn't rule out the bay because of a wonky foot. My farrier says that God does a better job of designing horses than farriers do, so he will only do moderate "corrections" on a wonky foot, and instead he tells the riders to learn to help the horse move as correctly as possible. That makes sense to me.

Plus, you know, the bay isn't grey. ;-)

WV: pritie
Both of the horses are very pritie.

cdncowgirl said...

My only comment is that I truly believe some horses, just like some people, are not photogenic. I have a VERY hard time getting a decent pic of my mare.

Ruthlynn said...

Howdy, I think the bay has feet issues. She is swishing her tail, flicking her ears back and lifting each foot as if in pain.Most Arabians do not park out like gaited horses do. I would get your vet to check her, x-ray those feet. Might save you trouble down the line.

allhorsestuff said...

WOW,I love that bay mare..she looks really good.
Thing about that stance..it might have to do with her angles of the hooves. Pantz used to do that BAD..since we've had her adjsuted and massaged regularly and more importantly- trimmed correctly- with shorter toes and bars that don't overtake the sole..she has never done that again.

Reddunappy said...

I am not an Arab person but I really like that bay, I like her neck and shoulder and she looks nice and leval across the back.
Wow long toe low heal! I wonder if her feet were just long? Thats a lot of foot on an Arab!
Good luck, finding one that you like in a price range you want, is difficult!!

Unknown said...

We have a bay arab mare in our barn that used to camp out and now doesn't since her hooves have been adjusted. Just a thought.

I don't know anything about conformation, to me I am really only into temperament. Pretty is as pretty does. :)

AareneX said...

Ruthlynn points out the swishy/stampy behaviors in the photo...since I live in a Swamp and have extensive experience with scratches, I pretty much think that's the cause of swishy/stampiness. How are they treating the sore areas? Her RR foot looks very red and inflamed.

Treating scratches isn't difficult, but it does require diligence AND a place for the horse to stay at least at night where the feet and legs will stay DRY. That can be difficult in a wet environment....

Anonymous said...

The bay looks lovely and honest. At first glance, I'd say she just looks really tired and maybe a bit foot sore after the ride. I know its getting late in the year but her stance also made me wonder if she's coming into season, of course maybe its just the scratches on her legs, I get the feeling from the photos that she's not quite comfortable about something. I think there's a good bet that she'll be standing a little differently next time you go see her. Although, I do agree about her feet needing a rework over.

lytha said...

aarene, thanks so much for the comment. i find it very interesting about hana. you're right about the grey - i was just imagining her fit and not such a puffball, but her legs are too light-boned.

cdn, i think also the mare was a little worried about this stranger walking all around her, crouching and pointing a camera.

ruthlynn, although her feet are atrocious, i believe the twitchiness was due to flies. but what aarene said could also be right - her ankles were puffy and raw with scratches.

kacy, that is interesting. i wish i could see pictures of panz before and after!

reddunappy, boy are you right about those feet. ugh. i should have asked how many months it has been since a trim.

breathe, sad to say she did not have the worst feet in that barn: (

aarene, you're right that she needs some "dry time." and i would never buy her in that condition because what a way to get to know a horse - torturing her by treating painful ankles! i have had really good luck latey with a saltwater solution as preventative - no full blown scratches on baasha for a couple years now. amazing! however he has mites on his ankles that drive him crazy. i cannot wait til first frost when they die. wait, i mean, i do not want frost or snow at all!

kbryan said...

It is great fun horse browsing and shopping with you! The bay mare is pretty, and it is nice the way she reacted to you. She sounds sensible. Hope you get to ride her soon!

Laughing Orca Ranch said...

I think she is lovely, although I did wonder she doesn't square up in all of those photos. But I do see Arabians at shows take up that stance and wonder if they are trained to do that.

The Father does have gorgeous large eyes and a lovely little muzzle, too.

The mare doesn't have much in the way of withers, but she does have perfectly wonderful shoulders and I can imagine you will appreciate that when you get to ride her next weekend. :)

~Lisa

Achieve1dream said...

Are you talking about hot branding or freeze branding? I have a hard time believe hot branding doesn't hurt . . . freeze branding I know nothing about. Is it really painless?

The bay is pretty. Is she butt high? Could the camping out have been because of the ride? Or a sore back? I don't know much about camping out, why they do it or how it affects their health/performance, so I'm not much help there. The shoes are awful and I totally agree they need to go. I wonder if her feet were trimmed and she wasn't tired from the ride how much that would affect the way she looks/stands/behaves. I can't wait to read about Saturday.

How much is 6000 euros compared to dollars?