Sunday, October 28, 2012

There are no tank de-icers in Germany

I've been looking - prove me wrong if you can! For the first time I'm considering buying a frozen water trough solution. I've always been leery of tank de-icers but now I have a fish aquarium and I reach my hand right in there all the time without any thought, so maybe I'm over it.


I don't have much of a network to inquire around. But what are the available solutions for frozen horse water in this country? Since the next 4 months will be Winter Hell, I want to do this right this year. Last year my home-made bucket insulator (towels, foam) worked really well, but now I have two animals needing water.

First I went to my normal online horsey shops, and agri shops (cattle), and found their solutions are mainly heated automatic waterers, which rely on a water supply.
They also sell these very expensive paddock troughs, thick plastic, with or without floating balls, for 500-1000Euros.






They all carry supplies for making the typical automatic waterer (both indoor and out) frost-free.
Here are some outdoor ones I found today in a cattlefield.






Trailer tanks are often used, I've blogged about them before. This company sells insulated ones! Apparently they work without electricity.






Just for fun I went to some American sites and priced tank de-icers. 20-30$. Ugh! I'm trying to fathom why they don't exist here. I think it might have something to do with the power - we are on 220V and America uses 110. But adaptors (transformers?) exist..so..???

The cheapest solution I found is a simple thick plastic bucket insulator (160E) but that's only for one bucket, and I need more liters than that.
It comes with a floating disc that the horses must push down to get to water.








Here is a link to an 80 liter bucket that is actually heated! But check out that price.


Then I spent a few hours looking at horse forums and seeking out answers. I was amazed. 3 people posted that they surround the trough with horse manure, the composting intended to keep the water warm. I cleaned up frozen horse poop today so I know how quickly it freezes solid, and to use the warmth from your compost, you'd have to get your animals directly into it, and since it must be several feet deep to compost properly...

Then I got into some creative solutions.

Some were simple, styrofoam-encapsulated troughs. Not bad, but not effective below -10C.






One lady said she uses aquarium heaters in her horse trough. Oh my...I wonder how that would work. She posted a photo, so that we're clear on what she means by aquarium heater. Yes, just like I have in my aquarium.





Then it got better. In Germany you can buy grave candles at almost any store. They burn for 4 days and are tip-safe.
Go to any cemetery in Germany and you'll see the place lit up with red glowing lights at night. In fact, we found a geocache last weekend with a grave candle at the location, burning, in a tree! So, why not use them to heat up horse water?
This one has a special livestock-tank-propane-heater as well as a candle.

Here's the site for the propane heater for your livestock tank. Unbelievable.


Then my man found this site and I thought, "That's it!" They're called Schlachtkessel, they're for turkey butchering. Or supposedly you can make a lot of bratwurst, fast. You make a fire in the lower portion and the pot up top is full of water. The pot is food-safe and easily removed for cleaning.


And someone patented the idea for livestock waterers! For 333Euros.


When my man said "It's heated with candles" at first I thought I must be misunderstanding him. Later he told me, "When I read it, I thought I misunderstood as well at first!"


So I'll be checking ebay. So far there are none nearby, but some look good.

11 comments:

spotz58 said...

I know some of the Amish around here float a chicken feed pan (galvanized steel, about 4 inches deep and 16 to 18 inches across) with burning charcoal in it.

Crystal said...

Wow that is crazy!!! We are lucky we have cows so we have a electric water trough for them that goes in the fence that my horses can drink out of too.

Reddunappy said...

Is it feasible to have someone mail you one or two, and use adapters?

Interesting, you are finding a lot of fundamental differences in horse keeping!!!!

Hmm and are they legal there?
Little Giant heaters are not in that big of a box.

Reddunappy said...

There are a lot on Amazon.com
But I dont know if they ship overseas.

Anonymous said...

How about bird bath heaters? Are there any of those?

AareneX said...

How about dumping a kettle of boiling water in every morning and night? With the insulated tank, wouldn't that keep it ice-free long enough for them?

Unknown said...

Do you not have electricity? We had a heater at home in Canada that just had a lightbulb under the trough. It was a richie automatic waterer. We also had a simple ceramic heater to keep the pump from freezing in the barn. It only ran a few minutes out of every hour. I would go with a caged floodlight honestly. You can put it above the waterer and it will keep it from freezing at the top at least.

Melissa-ParadigmFarms said...

No tank de-icers, so does everyone just have to go buy a heated, auto waterer for winter?

We have the fully insulated troughs with the ball on top of the drinking holes. They don't have electricity but are of course directly tied into the water line. It doesn't get cold enough to need heated auto waterers here and these work beautifully. Not only on our 15 or so cold winter days they keep the water from freezing, but they also keep the water cooler in the summer.

I didn't want these troughs b/c I was worried the horses wouldn't drink as well having to push the ball down. Jason and I battled about these and he won. He was right. The horses actually drink more with these troughs, I guess because the water temperature is so consistent.

We used to use trough heaters as needed and I am so glad to have those things out of my life b/c I always worried about trickle voltage. Thankfully we didn't need them to be plugged in much so I could keep my worrying to a minimum.

lytha said...

spotz, the charcoal sounds nice if i could guarantee that my animals, or birds and mice wouldn't touch it and get charcoal in the water.

crystal, you are lucky :)

reddunappy, for only 20$, it would be a great option to have someone simply mail me one, but i'm nervous about the adaptor situation. i've seen them fail and melt and ruin electronics before. i think i have to go with something specifically made for a german power supply.

kate, i cannot find bird bath heaters, but i did look through fishpond heaters and found nothing...so far.

aarene, that is what i'm doing: ) for now it works well but i want to find something for those days when it just doesn't warm up above freezing.

sydney, we do have power out there but i would need an incredibly high powered light to prevent ice when it's -15C, which is common. a high powered light might work if i had a specially designed tank that captured its heat, but i don't have that, and the light would have to be on so much it would cost a lot. you mentioned putting a light above the waterer - i don't have the typical waterers, just rubber troughs.

melanie, i think you're right, from my research. heated automatic waterers (indoor and out) and the floating ball plastic tanks are very common here. i feel like you felt, my horse won't want to mess with a ball to drink, but maybe he would. i wonder how you measure water consumption? they are very expensive, and we'd have to tear out our driveway to put in waterlines, so i don't think that would happen. the best on-the-market solution i think is the heated plastic tanks, but they're tiny and very expensive. (300euros for a 60 liter bucket!) so i have to get creative, i guess. i wish so much i had a network of people to ask, "so what's up with the lack of tank de-icers around here?"



Jeni said...

wow- never thought something as simple as a de-icer wouldn't be available in modern countries.

What if you caged a heat lamp - like what they use for baby chicks - and pointed it at the trough?

Do you use trough or buckets?

White Horse Pilgrim said...

Nice to see that blogger deleted my comment first time around.

In condensed form - living in Eastern Europe I bought an electrical heating element from a builders merchant. This is a linear resistance encased in rubber that is fixed to pipes that one doesn't want to freeze. It's connected to a thermostat and plugged into the mains, and generates a low level of heat. I used this successfully both on water piles and a metal trough down to -30C. Everything was very well insulated too, of course.

Some rich people had these heating cables built into their driveways and left them running all winter so that the snow melted!