Saturday, February 25, 2012

Thoroughbred Reitbeteiligung

I went to check out a TB at a stable nearby that I've always been curious about. Oh, how I wish I'd brought my camera! This is one of the most uniquely designed stables I've seen. I will bring it next time.



The whole time I was feeling quite cautious. My husband actually told me "Nice knowing ya!" when he knew I was leaving to see a TB. OK, I have some history in Germany with a TB and he knows it precisely.

As soon as I walked in the entry gate, I was surrounded by 5 dogs, 2 of them barking an ear splitting, nonstop attack. I was being sniffed all over and I really hate that. I know it's typical for farms to have loose dogs but there was no one around and I cannot help but be nervous when surrounded by loose barking dogs. (They do bite when they bark, my man found out on one of our neighborhood walks.) (In these photos stolen from their website, the place looks flat when viewed from above but trust me it's incredibly hilly here and everything is stacked.)

I ask around and finally find the couple who own the TB. The man is cleaning stalls and she takes me on a little tour. I was thrilled to see the place. It is built on the side of a hill so the winter paddocks are almost stacked, on levels above one another. The outdoor riding ring was on the edge of the hill. If you fell off your horse you could fall down the whole mountain.

The indoor riding hall was just a little room with support colums every 5 meters so you would have to dodge those as you rode. I wonder how many people have collided.

The indoor was a second floor, over stalls. Yikes. People here are creative when it comes to working with this convoluted landscape. An arena over stalls. (Last week I saw horses living basically underground!)

There were horses EVERYWHERE, even turned out in the outdoor ring and turned out in the riding hall. I liked that not a single horse was in a stall, but if I wanted to ride, I'd have to move horses around and that would make me uncomfortable. Sure there are plenty of people running around to help, but still - on a Saturday, was no one going to ride? There were so many little girls running around getting ponies and grooming ponies and cleaning and feeding silage. What a great place for kids. One lady showed up and put her two little kids in the nursery area (an outdoor playland) and went to get her horse.

The website for this place talks about how they encourage people who don't have their own horse to come "adopt" one of theirs for a fee and play with it.

They are a rescue with 40 horses, 6 or 7 are boarders.

This is from their site, the arrival of another rescue. Note the very helpful dogs, smelling every newcomer's backside.

They have a great marketing plan that draws people to help out, and enjoy the presence of horses they otherwise couldn't. I'm impressed.

But the bathroom was for crap, and they have no riders' lounge as most stables here do. Oh well. I learned they own a business in Duesseldorf and travel there often. That's not easy, so, they're not just running a rescue, they have their own business and this is on the side. I wonder how often they get to enjoy their own horses.

This photo shows the indoor hall (the white/black area) over the stalls (stone). Cathrin took me down to the muddy paddock where a group of horses hung out. Her TB, Anwa was standing there being the herd boss. He was huge, *sigh*. She catches him and then his best friend tries to come through, slipping through the gate. Cathrin's husband grabs the horse's winter blanket to try to haul him backwards but that doesn't work. Cathrin yells over to someone "loose horse" and someone catches him. We're standing in this narrow aisleway between two winter paddocks. It's not quite wide enough to stand beside the horse you're leading through, you have to go single file. On both sides are horses reaching their heads over the fence and guess what they're doing? They're feinting and baring their teeth and lunging and biting at Anwa. From both sides while we wait for the loose horse to get caught in that "alley."

You would have smiled if you'd have seen me. I was fully 10 meters back from the bad situation, ready to bolt if things got ugly. Cathrin yelled to someone, "I'm in a bad place here!"

Yah, design flaw.

I start thinking this place is not for me, how can I get out of this...

She wants me to get to know the horse, but won't ride him for me because she doesn't ride. She ties him up and says, "I'm actually afraid of horses."

Uh....what?

I said, "You own two...and you're afraid?"

She said, "My daughter has a pony and I got this TB for my husband, but he cannot ride, his doctor won't let him."

I said, "But he cleans stalls. OK!"

I strip the blanket off of him and see a huge lanky underweight TB. His back is way above my head. I hate that.

Cathrin goes to the feed area and comes back with an enormous tub filled to the very top with grain. Corn, oats, barley. It was bigger than a 5 gallon bucket. I've heard of people feeding horses (TBs, actually) this much grain but I'd actually never seen it with my eyes.


I thought, "Oh well, there goes any chance of me getting to know this horse." and I told her so.

She offered to let me groom him and I did my best. For about 30 minutes I worked on him even though he'd just rolled in the mud and had sticky parts. The rest I got shining, and his mane turned out very fluffy and nice. He's a nice looking horse.

A short lady showed up with a little girl and I was told this was his former Reitbeteiligung (lease) and she pointed to her belly to say why she's no longer riding. She's due to have another baby soon.

She didn't offer any information about the horse, what I was hoping, but I let the two of them talk as I groomed. I was very annoyed with Cathrin smoked cigarettes right there next to us, right in the barn. Ugh. Another lady joined her. That's Germany, smoking in barns is safe because your barn is made of stone anyway!

Anwa was very nice with his feet and I noticed he had snow shoes on front and was bare behind.

Cathrin explained that his last Reitbeteiligung (before the pregnant girl?) was an overambitious jumper rider who not only wanted to compete often, but to win. She was also too heavy for him (she said 90 kilos), for jumping. I said, "It is hard to admit fear, but I will admit I fear jumping. It's something I intend to learn someday but I am not in a hurry." (OK I can do small jumps but big ones, no way! I'm fine until that landing part comes.)

I asked my most pressing question - wie ist er..oh sorry "How is he out on trails, alone, and with others?"

She said, "Oh, I don't let my lease riders ride him alone out there! That's too dangerous."

At that point I almost walked away, but then I thought, hmmm...........

I said, "What about lessons. I am interested in Dressage lessons - can I take them here?"

She said a few trainers come now and then. I said, "How often?" "Every two weeks" OK...

Then another lady said, "Oh, it's mostly ground work, what we're doing now."

I said, "I would love to come watch, and observe and see if I can understand the instructor." (German horse nomenclature)

They invited me to come out next Sunday to see a lesson. Cathrin said this time she'll try hard to get her daughter to come so I can watch her ride the horse.

I thought, hmmm, it still might work for me. I thanked them both heartily and went home and told my man.

He said, "That's like 3 blog posts worth right there."

Maybe he forgot about my propensity for lengthy posts? As my niece says, "My aunt can sure write a lot!"

As I left I noticed he wasn't done eating that grain, and I'd been there an hour. That's a lotta grain.

20 comments:

AareneX said...

Hmmm.

TB.
Crowded.
Can't ride out.
Weird arena.
MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF HOT FEED.

I'm thinking, "no"?

Laughing Orca Ranch said...

Such a mystery filled post! I am sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for more. I think you like this horse..but he is truly a mystery...due to his timid and inexperienced owners, eh?
He could be a diamond in the rough...with maybe more shine, once cleaned up and rediscovered?!
The barn and paddock photos you posted and explained sound so interesting and strange. I would love to know more....and yes, like your Man says...definetly enough blog fodder to fill several posts.

And wow! I've never ever seen such huge bags of carrots!

Had to laugh at what you said:" But the bathroom was for crap"

Well, yes they usually are. lol! lol!

~Lisa

Crystal said...

Wow sounds like a busy place. Too bad noone was around to ride the horse but maybe next week. At least its a little closer to you.

EvenSong said...

Sounds like he needs more bulk and less energy, feed-wise: forage, beet pulp,etc., instead of all that grain--my guess is that he runs (or worries) all the calories off. Would she consider another lease? Then you could take some lessons there for awhile, for your horse "fix," and as you got to know Anwa, and a few people there, go out on the trail a bit. In the meantime, you could still be watching for your forever horse (if he turned out not to be the one). It'll be interesting to hear what you think of the lesson. Good luck!

cdncowgirl said...

Do you think they're giving him so much grain to try to get weight on him?

As for the part about smoking in the barns because they're stone... they barn might not burn but everything inside still could!

Dan and Betty said...

Nice pictures. I'm not sure about a horse that eats 5 gal of grain. No wonder he's dangerous out on the trail.

Sounds like he would need a lot of work.

Dan

juliette said...

Great story! I love your posts - I can visualize the whole exciting outing.

Wow, not sure about that place, but it does sound interesting. The second floor riding hall reminds me of that place in NYC that closed now, but also had stalls and riding on the higher stories.

And, of course you know what I think about the prospect of riding a TB! Although, for me there is no riding without the opportunity to go out on the trails - especially with all that lovely scenery!

Good luck with your decision and next visit! I'll be waiting to hear how it turns out.

Dom said...

...Yeah. My farm has loose dogs on it, but they don't bark OR bite and they're POLITE when they greet people (also, they're only out if someone is home).

This entry left my head spinning. I was quite fascinated by the photos though.

Unknown said...

Well, that's certainly odd. 10 pounds of grain, a second floor riding arena, and no trail riding. What a very different world.

Great idea on the rescue, though. Letting people semi adopt is a great approach. I wonder why more don't do that here, or maybe they do and I just don't know about it.

Hope it gives you a chance to ride, though.

Dreaming said...

What an interesting place. I rode in New York City one time, and their 'indoor arena' was about the same... with a very low ceiling.

Funder said...

eeek, what a terrifying barn! Cute horse, though, and the boarders don't sound too bad. I hope you click with the dressage instructor!

lytha said...

aarene, i think you're right - the whole thing was more negative than positive. but for lessons i'll check it out - better to have lessons on a horse i know than the shuffling i got last time. but if i feel he's dangerous, no way. it was hard to get much info from the owner who herself knows so little.

lisa, thanks for that. you always see the positive side of things. i was hoping to finally get a good photo of the enormous carrot bags you can get at the gas stations here for horses. finally (but it's not my photo). *lol* i guess i did make a pun about that bathroom - it was the worse i've seen. may as well have been a portapotty.

crystal, this barn is so close i would love it, it's almost on my way home from work too.

evensong, i know he gets silage which is more fattening than hay, but i knew not to start a discussion about nutrition with that lady - she isn't really a horse person! (how odd!) and i never give unasked for advice to people on day 1: ) (i did say, "good heavens that's a lotta grain!" and she said, "he's a lotta skinny!")

cdn, of course you're right about the fires, this is my attempt (my rationalization) at not being so ethnocentric. i have to try really hard sometimes!

dan, i didn't get the impression he was dangerous on the trail from her comments, just that he'd had one accident out there with a lease rider and the lady didn't want to take that chance again. riding out in a group would be ok (which i find silly because being in a group does not preclude accidents!) but if what you say is true, that he needs a lot of work, well, it would be hard for that to be worth my time. i have to get something out of it (besides injuries) and not just train someone's horse, even if it is a free lease.

juliette, i don't know if you know it's been almost 2 years since i've ridden regularly. this is killing me and i'm doing everything i can to find working options, and if it's just dressage lessons until i find my own horse, then i have to do it. there aren't many lease horses available in our area right now.

i don't know if anyone has noticed but in the last 2 years i have not left comments in people's blog entries that are about simply riding. it's hard for me to say, "thanks for sharing" when it hurts to read it.

dom, the owner came out and said "shhh" to the yapping ones and they did not stop. i'm no dog hater but i like obedient, quiet dogs. our next door neighbor boxer is an amazing dog who never barks at us, only strangers, and never leaves his yard even if the kids leave the gate open. ok he killed my cat but i still appreciate this good dog.

i'll try to get my own good photos next week. it is such a unique place!

breathe, you can see how desperate i'm becoming. that reminds me i need to send an email out about meeting up with that neighbor with a standardbred..

dreaming, i wish i could have seen that stable in NY before it closed. for that matter, the WTC.

funder, the thought of having to catch that horse and others escaping and going through that gauntlet of biting horses, i'm not sure it will be worth it. and if it's not dressage, but just parelli...oh dear. but i can hope!

Sylvia said...

One of the local barns here, the owners are from holland...they have a small ranch house. When they moved in to it, about 20 years ago, they had an addition built. Under the addition, is a large rack room and 6 stall barn. Under their house! It's *really* warm in the barn. I guess it helps with the heating of the house....

allhorsestuff said...

Oh wow! That was certainly an adventure...maybe not exciting in good ways.
Design blunders bounding.

No toilets! My sister private barn has none and after you have to " double bag it " once, you hate the place! That's just wrong to invite the public to help with your poorly functioning outreach and not offer THAT basic comfort!

Well, when I feed lunch at my stables I carry a training stick. It's just sage
/safe practice to make toured known to all the horses- YOU- are the lead . Some at my stable are rushy with ears back in the stall. I'm not one to ever touch them...but the stick truck once on the ground, or held in the air wirh my own mean look gets all ears up and usually -forward!
I know its not your facility...but it is your life. The narrow, between fences sounds horrible and like an everyday hazard. That's when my twirling rope on end of the stick- overhead- would come in rather handy.

I'm interested in seeing this one- he sounds like HE NEEDS rescue from all that-grain! Holy crap. I'm down to 1 lb. of whole oats only!! The hay forage is enough...even when I rode 10 miles a day 4-5 times a week.

Waiting with baited breath!!!bless your heart, this.horse finding has proven most difficult! You may have to import again!
Today is Sunday!

lytha said...

sylvia, i just love the german house/barn combinations. i want one!!

kacy, i was actually considering what you suggested. that i just walk around with a dressage whip and back horses out of our way. safety first.

i'm encouraged to hear that you do it, even at a boarding stable not your own. i'm always feeling pressure to not "abuse" horses in public.

i have to say, this was not a possible purchase horse - this is just a lease situation. i honestly cannot buy a TB, i know my limits. but maybe a few good experiences will let me overcome them.

i'm desperate right now and with your whip/rope suggestion in mind, it *might* work: )

CG said...

All of our horses are TBs and if one were eating that much grain they would probably be totally crazy!
As in, I wouldn't even attempt to lead them through the maze you described in this post.
Maybe that says good things about his real temperment?

lytha said...

cg, thank you for your experienced input here. my experience with TBs is very limited. i cannot judge the horse's behavior by that amount of grain because when i asked if he gets that every day she said, "we try" which means, ..??? i know she couldn't make it out last week..so i doubt it, i think it's ignorance. i'm afraid so.

allhorsestuff said...

It's actually a " carrot stick" from my N.H. days....it really comes in handy...I've never touched my horse or anyone else's with it. It's just the presence.
A.Dress age whip with a bag on the end works too.

The owner of the 2 worst mannered horses asked me to come into the worst of the 2's stall, he started to menace me wirh ears back- I just had to stick my ARM up high, and growl at him! She wonders why he is Luke that, but never demands him to move or respect her...gee, I wonder why he softened when I'm a leader??

The Equestrian Vagabond said...

wow that's alotta grain. and he's underweight? well, good that you can go back and watch more. keep us posted!
And, the Raven and I would LOVE to visit next time we're over there!!!!!!! (same goes for if you ever come to Idaho, haha!). nothing scheduled at the moment, but I'll let you know when it is!
- The Equestrian Vagabond

Achieve1dream said...

Geez, I hope they don't hurt him by feeding him so much on such a sporadic schedule! Sheesh she truly is clueless.

I totally understand how desperate you are to ride. I went without a horse and without riding for two years and it was awful! Getting Chrome at five months old gave me a lot to do with training him so that helped for a while. Then I met someone with horses who lets me ride with her (although not nearly enough) and that helped, but I'm starting to get so impatient and crazy waiting for him to turn three years old lol. :D So yeah I understand your desperation. It is so weird over there. I really hope you find a workable situation soon.