Sunday, May 1, 2011

Another German endurance ride

Today I drove a gazillion kilometers to an endurance ride to see what it's like to ride non-FEI here in our state. When I got there I was very far north on the border of Lower Saxony. Not that 2.5 hours is far to travel for an endurance ride, it's just strange to me that a country this tiny can take hours to traverse at around and sometimes exactly 100mph.

There is a nice website for this ride. It includes a link that displays a local newspaper featuring this ride. This is not a new ride. This is the autobahn right next to the ride - it says Amsterdam Osnabrueck.

It's a 30/60/80 km ride and drive. Hey - did you know that in Germany, endurance rides often involve driving? I think that would be fun in a way but it also speaks to the terrain they follow. The terrain is fast, flat, and often right through towns.

I'm soured on FEI rides in Germany - you all know this. They do not have the "endurance" aspect of the sport. It's a Tour de France with people and cars running all day behind your horse with your supplies, including water bottles - no need to carry one on your saddle. Cell phones connect riders with crew, no need to adjust your saddle blanket yourself. Crewing occurs often on "trail". The riders themselves do virtually nothing but ride the horse. Trot-outs, electrolyting, sponging, blanketing, feeding, rubbing the riders' feet is all done by crew. I was told by a crewmember, "You Americans have a real disadvantage when you move up to this level because you don't know how to organize a good crew - a crew where each member has a specific role and functions like a machine."

I had my hopes up that a local, small ride would be different.


This is the day parking area. It is used by riders who live locally and will not stay the night. I know it probably exists in America, but I have not seen personally a section for entrants who will not stay overnight.

I know this because I saw one lady there with her horse and I approached her immediately upon parking and asked if I could ask a few questions.

I asked her if people camp with their horses here. She said that some people do, others put their horses in the barn and go to a hotel.

All the rides I've been to in Europe are hosted by large riding stables, so there are stalls for the endurance horses at night. (In case you're wondering why she's all bundled up and her horse is naked - it was 76F out and balmy.)

But some people choose to camp with their horses. That's nice. I mean, to me, the whole weekend horse camping experience is integral to endurance. I never had a fancy rig, but I love sleeping a few feet away from my horse.

(In fact, the camping aspect is so important to me, it is slightly less painful for me to not be actually doing endurance now simply because my horse sleeps 40 meters from my own bed every night and greets me with a nicker every morning. When we first brought Baasha to Finally Farm I blogged about it like this: Horse Camping Every Day.)

I asked her if it's possible to do this ride without crew. She said, "Possible, yes, but no one does it."

OK then. *sigh*

I asked her where all the horses are. "Out on trail." I've never been to a ridecamp at about noon and seen no horses. OK, she was there, but she was pulled. And two other ladies were sponging their horses in the shade, also not continuing. That makes 3. That ridecamp had a vet check meant I should have been seeing more horses. Confusing. Perhaps there were not many horses, and perhaps not many distances were offered. She mentioned that it was "Only an 80 km ride" but I'm not sure if that means only 80 and under. I can't imagine a ride without an LD this early in the year. (Then again 80 Km is not quite 50 miles so..??) A vet and a pulser stood near us with nothing to do.

Here is the camping area. I did not wander over there because you can see it is a whole field away from the vetting area. Why so far? I was always annoyed when I had to park at the far end of ride camp and didn't make my times. It must be the intensive crewing thing that makes it unnecessary to go to your rig during holds.

One more aspect that was bewildering: This ride has Gr. and Kl. divisions. I asked her to specify this and she confirmed it but could not explain why on earth they have different divisions based on the size of the horse. I said, "We have weight divisions." (And that is controversial enough.)

Can anyone explain this to me? Why big horses and small horses would be divided? It looks like big means warmblood, TB, and small means Arab, Haflinger. (Guess I shoulda asked that vet...)

UPDATE: I just emailed the ride manager with my burning question: )

OK here's the top concern of mine. I had already read that this ride includes a lot of pavement. This is why the lady I spoke with was pulled: "Lame due to too much pavement" she said.

I get that, because this is Germany and I have to bend my mind around this concept.

But wait ....I asked to see the start line, pictured above. It was pavement. The finish? Same spot - paved. Do you see the blue sign? That means the start and finish of this ride is also a public trail open to hikers and bicyclists. Have you done an endurance ride and had to deal with baby strollers, roller bladers, bicycles, and dog walkers?

I remembered a ride in the PNW that started on pavement. They solved this problem by having a controlled start. They did not want horses slipping on pavement in the first strides and falling and maiming riders. They made us walk that first segment. From all my experiences riding horses in Germany, I seem to be the only one concerned about the risks of riding on pavement. I'm talking about safety risks from slipping and falling. Trotting on pavement is normal here; I've been told the horses are trained on it so it does not hurt them.

There's more. The vet check--IT'S PAVED TOO.


You gotta do your trot out on paving stones.

Unfathomably, immediately adjacent to the trot-out area is a sand riding arena. What huh? Did the vets not want to get thier feet sandy? (The FEI rides I attended used the sandy dressage rings to do their trot outs.)

I'm so torn. Can I change? Can I bend my expectations around the oddness? Does anyone actually get off their horse on paved areas and walk? Would I be overtime if I did that?

I spent a long time on my trip home thinking about these questions. It's not like I even have an endurance horse; I am thinking about the future and whether it's worth my while to pursue this.

There is a ride near Duesseldorf in August. I will go and see what the story is. That one is at least much closer.



It would be nice to see something hilly and not pancake flat.

It would be nice to see a vetting area and start/finish that are not paved.

I hate to think it's typical of our area. I guess I'll have to find out.

13 comments:

Formerly known as Frau said...

Long way to go but hopefully you got your answers. Seems like all the country roads and farms they could find a spot to do it without pavement. Have a wonderful Sunday!

Funder said...

Fascinating!

Do Grosse horses have different P&R requirements? I've been to 25/50s where there was no one in camp for hours - I had the bad luck to show up right after both groups had headed out, and it was at least two hours before any of them showed back up. I was giving a cell phone to a 50 rider and of course she'd headed out 10 minutes before I got there!

I bet you could be the eccentric American and ride without a crew. After a couple of years no one would even wonder about you anymore.

I don't mind trotting a barefoot / booted horse on pavement. I don't like doing miles of pavement, but I don't feel bad about short stretches. I won't ride a shod horse on pavement - too much concussion on their feet, but mainly they slip and it scares me too bad!

Gina said...

I do not do endurance - but would love to start. When I do conditioning rides most times they are all on pavement and my horse has shoes. I have found that asphalt is the easiest to ride and what we have the most of. However, the only time I have ever felt or seen a horse slip under normal walk trot riding is going from wetish grass to concrete. In fact I have always been told that walk trot on pavement was great for strengthening tendons. Just food for thought.

AareneX said...

Hmmm. How do they determine the "size" of the horse? Is my 15.3h, 1100-lb standie Gr or Kl? Inquiring minds!!!

Pavement: you know, unless the pavement is wet, and hilly (clearly neither of those conditions is happening in your area right now!), I've never had a problem with shod horses slipping. Um, if the shoes are a little scuffed up instead of brand-new, there's less slipping on any kind of terrain. Also: the racetracks that standies run on in Canada might as well be paved, because the gravel is so compact. I think as long as the horse is legged up gradually on a hard surface, the tendon/bone will develop strongly to allow work on it.

This kind of ride looks *better* than the FEI...

Laughing Orca Ranch said...

I don't like seeing horses running on pavement. There is nothing for their toes to dig into a grip. You have probably already seen the footage of the horse that tripped and fell during the London wedding procession. They are saying that he slipped on the pavement because he was nervous and high strung from all the noise and energy from the spectators. When he started jigging, it didn't take much for the horse to slip on the pavement and fall with his rider.

I think what surprises me most from the photos you included is that people tow their horse trailer with cars. I suppose the trailers are lighter than we have here, but still, the horses must weight the same as ours....1000+, right?
And that last photo, the trailer looks more like a tent with the canvas roof and thin, plastic-like walls.
Do people drive those on the Autobahn driving 100mph??!

~Lisa

G in Berlin said...

No. When one is trailing the speed limits are much, much lower: 80 kph in most cases. Makes traveling with any kind of trailer much slower (I've moved furniture a few times). All my relatives have campers and cars: they buy cars with the correct power for what they trail. In one case, when purchasing a larger boat, they traded their car in for one with a stronger engine. Gas/Diesel is expensive here. It changes behavior.

lytha said...

Funder, you had mentioned before the size of one of your rides - perhaps this was similar.

I could be the eccentric Ami - heck I am in so many ways already.

Gina, you are right with the Europeans in this. They train on pavement so the horses' legs are ready for it.

Aarene, the ride manager wants me to call her, I'll ask.

We are all the result of our histories and I am the result of my father's horror story of having a horse fall on pavement and crush him - he warned me from an early age to never ride on pavement and I never really had to until now. (Riding downtown Seattle was a notable exception.)

Lisa, Like G said, they drive slower but it is still amazing to me that they stuff these ginormous horses into these little wispy trailers pulled by cars. I am not convinced it's only due to gas prices because the "finer" rigs I've seen are basically UPS trucks that have horses inside. They cannot have good mpg. What I see as a major factor is the size of the road lanes and the size of the parking lots - it would be very troublesome to drive an American sized vehicle here. Semi drivers do it but they are not pulling into riding stables often. *shrug* I wish I knew the anwers.

Leah Fry said...

What an alien-like experience. Those weird little trailers are creepy.

I trot Jaz on pavement (he's barefoot), but only for short stretches. He actually seems to prefer it to grass. He's not at all sure-footed, and I think he likes being able to see exactly where his feet are.

Laughing Orca Ranch said...

Well, it's not the adequate amount of power I'd be concerned about.
But it's true that while towing a trailer, a small engine often gets less gas mileage than a big one because it works harder.

So, I don't think the cost of gas is the primary reason for using a car to tow a trailer.

I'm assuming that all the cars that are towing horse trailers have a beefed up frame built for towing and they have a secure brake axle.... and that the cars are wired for it so that the brake axle on the trailer is stopping the trailer, and not the brakes of the car, correct?
Nothing like trying to come to an emergency stop in the pouring rain, driving a 2,000 lb car, while towing 2,000lbs+ of horses riding in their 1,000lb+ horse trailer that slams up against you.

And I'm also assuming that those same cars are manual transmission, too? Most cars that have automatic transmissions are not designed to tow anything, unless they have been upgraded with a towing package.
Using a typical automatic transmission to tow a horse trailer with will quickly burn it out.

The other concern I have about cars pulling horse trailers is that they might not be heavy enough. If the trailer is heavier than the car, and loaded with moving animals that weigh over 1,000 lbs a piece, then the horse trailer can cause the car to shimmy and swerve which is really dangerous. Not to mention the lack of ability for the car to remain on the road in gusty wind or wet, slippery conditions.

I have seen cars flipped over on the side of the road because they lost control while towing a basic small U-Haul Trailer.

So,it's not just about having a more powerful engine or trying to save money on gas. There are many variables when it comes to choosing a vehicle to tow a horse trailer.

~Lisa

lytha said...

Lisa, I wish I knew the answer to this because at first I thought it's just the narrow lanes but then how do semis get around? (Those poor truckers on these tiny roads!)

I disagree with one point - a towing vehicle can be automatic. My one ton Chevy Silverado 3500 was, and it was definitely built to pull.

Like you I always wanted my vehicle to be as heavy as possible so often I'd put my weekend water supply in the truck. That much water was like putting a small horse in the truck.

Remember when you saw the photo of my eggs in my fridge and you wondered how my store bought eggs could be so big? That was just my fridge being tiny, like everything else here. (Except the horses.)

One really odd thing about the trailers here - they do not have electric brakes. They have some sort of pressure detetion brake- a sensor on the hitch senses pressure toward the car and activates the brake in the trailer. I believe the Brenderups back home have this too? Anyway I do not like the thought of not having a brake controller below my steering wheel. It's adjustable depending on how many horses you have inside the trailer, I'm sure you have one so I don't have to tell you this.

G in Berlin said...

I just spent the equivalent of $165 dollars filling up my efficient VW Passat with (cheap) diesel, so I'm quite certain that in Germany one tries to keep the size of the vehicle that one uses (not just for towing a trailer, but all the times one doesn't) down. And I barely do any driving at all.

Laughing Orca Ranch said...

Yes I agree with you about automatic vehicles being able to tow trailers. I in fact have an automatic truck that we use to tow our horse trailer and I can also tow our tent trailer with my GMC Safari van which is also automatic...but with the van I did upgrade to the towing package and did the research first to make sure the frame was bolted and not welded, before I ever considered towing with it.

That being said, I still would not tow our horse trailer with our van because of the limited wheel base and the vehicle weight vs fully loaded trailer weight (not to mention the moving/shifting weight of live animals) discrepancy.

Which is what I meant about *most* automatic vehicles not being built for towing.
I should have specified what I said above, or just said, 'many', instead of 'most'. Sorry about that.

And yes, we all want to save money on the costs of gas/diesel and downsizing a vehicle is an obvious way to save fuel costs.....but when towing a heavy trailer it is a fact that a smaller engine will be working harder and using more fuel to operate.

Lytha, don't you have one of those cool 'green' electric cars? Are you able to tow with that car, and if so, how much?

I think we can all agree that saving money on fuel costs is important. But if we are putting the priority of saving money over the safety of humans and horses, while towing several thousand pounds of trailer and animals, behind a small car, this just doesn't seem very cost-effective or wise.

~Lisa

Tina said...

Wow, interesting (I have a great pen pal in Germany tho she isn't into horses) and sorta' strange and unbeliveable. I'm not a fan of pavement either. We have lots of buggy Mennonites and those horses go miles on pavement. Makes me wonder as I know how hard it is on my legs and feet. Thanks for sharing.