What an emotional morning! First as I was getting Gina out of the field, we had to walk by a Haflinger having trailer loading difficulties and Gina got nervous cuz they were tapping him with a whip.
I had plenty of room between us but Gina decided to try to bolt to the barn. I yanked on her for trying to drag me and tried to get her under control but suddenly everyone was yelling at me.
"LET HER GO IN, she's scared!"
"Just let her run into the barn, go fast! Now! She's scared!"
I was in the moment, and my instinct is not to do the wrong thing and so I yanked on her again. The people just yelled at me louder, til they were basically screaming at me, "LET HER GO IN!"
Everyone who reads my blog knows the right thing to do here, I don't even have to type this:
Letting a horse drag a person on a leadline is unacceptable.
I was totally astonished that horse people would be telling me to indulge her bad manners. This must go back to what Sirjeviise said about the lack of discipline in German parents and dog owners. If a horse is worried, it gets to do whatever it wants?
I was so pissed when I got into the stall, I snubbed her (as usual so she won't eat and snark at me about it) and walked outside the stall and took several long sips of tea. I told myself that this could happen at any barn, in any place.
Why did I have to start my riding day like this?
So after tacking up I went over and talked to my instructor about it - in mostly English. "That is what we call a 'Training Opportunity' - and Gina's no baby, she should be able to listen to her handler and control herself. Heck even if she was a baby, that would be the perfect time to start the lesson." I'm not sure the lady understood me but it sure felt better to get that out in the open. I cannot abide bad manners in dogs or horses and a riding school is the place where manners should be at their best!
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Gina was a dream as ever, to ride, though I'm having trouble slowing her canter down. She seems to just have a handgallop! Since she's so bendy I did lots of lateral work (or tried my best) and lots of figure 8s. At one point I was concentrating on collecting and extending her trot, and I looked down for only one second to see if I was on the correct diagonal, and suddenly there were three horses coming right for us at a canter on the rail. Since I was going to the right, they all had the right-of-way. They YELLED at me to move and I got her off the rail so fast, but almost had a heart attack seeing how close that was. Poor Gina is claustrophobic anyway, always afraid of collisions, and here I almost get us flattened! I don't blame her if she doesn't trust me now; I'm not used to 6 riders going every which way in an arena. Two other times I forced someone to slam on the brakes (as I did too) because we were both circling and almost crashed. That was not a right-of-way issue, that was just chance, but still embarrassing. I finally laughed and stopped in the middle and said, "I'm gonna hide here!"
It was a good lesson though, no bucking, no almost falling off, and I even got on without a mounting block! Woo! OK Gina's not so much taller than Baasha, just miles longer.
Afterwards the instructor was kind enough to take a couple pics of me and Gina. How nice!
She said she's half Fresian, hence the hair and back long enough for two saddles. I always unhook the side-reins as soon as I dismount to give her a break, that is why they are unhooked in almost all the photos. (And in this photo there is a fire extinguisher directly over the ash tray - smoking's allowed in the arenas.)
The next hour is a private lesson with Gina so I took a few photos of the lady riding her.
She's such a pretty horse.
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I had to bring it up again in the lounge after the lesson. Will we always be riding in side-reins? Immediately 4 ladies together said, "It's for the health of the horses. They shouldn't go around inverted, that would be bad on their backs. These protect the horses from bad riding." I said, "ALL of the horses, ALL of the time?"
Then it was like debating pro-choice or pro-life - these women fervently believe that the gadgets help the horses stay healthy. They explained how well cared for the school horses are, how much turnout they get, how much medical attention, and how long they live here - the side reins make it possible that horses can give lessons - sometimes three per day - into their 20s. Other stables are not so kind.
I said, "Do other stables use them?"
"No, this is the only one, and some people are surprised to see it, but we just care about the horses."
One lady was passionately trying to get me to understand, saying when horses' heads are high, adrenaline is released and they are in panic/flight mode. I said, "Some horses do have a problem and might need help, but ALL?"
My other argument was that it's bad for the riders - how can we learn if we always "cheat"? She said, "I've been riding here 7 years but only weekly. I would have to ride more than once per week to be able to get a horse round without the side-reins."
She also said, "Our instructor is great, she sees everything and can teach 7 people at a time. But if we all had to work on getting the horses round, she would be overwhelmed."
I said, "Yes, it would certainly make her job harder if we dropped them."
I asked her what level our lesson is - beginner, intermediate, or advanced. The ladies all said, "Advanced."
But apparently not advanced enough to ride without side-reins. (I'm calling them side reins now because some of the school horses have actual lunging side-reins on, and others have those ones that go thru the front legs, but since they're still fixed and not flexible, I don't know a better English word.)
Let this not be a pride issue for me! I am a little bit insulted that my horse's mouth is tied to her saddle. But that's not the point - the point is it's bad for the students, and bad for the horses.
"But how is it bad for the horses?" she asked me curiously.
"They can never truly move from behind, their heads are tied down too low."
She disagreed.
Wow. 7 years riding in side-reins and no desire to get rid of them and really start learning?
I brought up martingales, they exert way less leverage but still help a bit. I also said it's possible to use something called draw reins that you hold in your hand, and that allows more flexibility. I said even using gadgets part of the lesson is better than the whole lesson.
It was kind of like discussing whether or not God exists.
I wish that the ladies would re-evaluate their trust in the kindness/health benefits of this tool. Don't they read forums? Books? Internet articles? Even in German forums those things are disdained.
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Changing the subject, I mentioned we're looking for a retired companion horse. The 7-years-of-side-reins lady took me to meet an old retired horse that might be a match. As soon as I saw him walk up to us in the pasture, I said, "Uh oh, he won't fit through our doorways!"
He's 182 cm tall. That's over 18 hands. His pasturemate was a Shire, and he was actually bigger than the Shire! I can't believe such huge horses exist, and I don't even want hooves that big coming close to my delicate Baasha, one inadvertent stomp and he'd break Baasha's leg.
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I've got one more lesson paid for already here so after that I'll quit. They've been really nice to me, it was a real learning experience as you can see. I realize I'm not afraid to ride several of the horses that intimidated me at first, and that I can manage to understand the German. There are SO many riding stables in this area - two or three that are even walkable - I just have to take my time and search. I did break my original rule: OBSERVE lessons before joining, due to the way my next-door neighbor invited me to participate last-minute, and I was feeling riding-deprived at the moment. I will have patience, and I will find my place here. Even if it's sitting on a western saddle (*gasp*)!!
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There's a lot to think about here, and I think you're totally right. How can they be advanced riders, if they don't know the difference between a horse that's on the bit and a horse that isn't, and learn how to achieve it if it's all provided for them? Very strange. Part of the thrill of riding is achieving that with a horse. But I think draw reins in the wrong hands are even worse and build up all the wrong muscles. I also think it's very bad mannered to be hauled across the yard like that, and letting go isn't the answer, but that's always the frustration with a riding school (and even a livery yard sometimes). It might be worth trying another school just to see if they do things differently.
Autumn Mist, thanks for your comment. I need to clarify though, perhaps I didn't describe these things well enough. They are like draw reins that are affixed to the saddle with the horse's head tied behind the vertical, so there is no possibility of give/release. Even though drawreins are the devil, at least you can loosen them at will, or bring your hands forward to offer the horse some relief, or if your horse trips, you can open your fingers and let the reins slide through so he won't bang his mouth. If you disagree, please let me know so I can re-evaluate how fixed-to-saddle vs. held-in-hand compare. I need to remain open minded about these things.
I agree: what a pity to never have felt a horse move from behind and seek contact/be on the bit, to achieve lightness, even after 7+ years of lessons!
Wow Lytha, what an immersion in a differnt horse culture!!!
I to would have the same problem you are, the side reins are a crutch, and I dont understand how they help the horses back, I am sure some of them learn to hollow with them on after having them for so long. I think sidereins that are solid like that are dangerous! How is the horse suposed to catch itself if it trips?
The only time I have used side reins is with a surcingle on the longe line when first getting a horses bitted up and under saddle. I to will use a running martingale to help acheive a headset, but eventually wean them off of that too. There are as many training philosopys out there as horses almost, I think! LOL
OH! and the bad manners with the mare taking off, yeah, I agree with you there too!
Reddunnappy, I have a set of side-reins, brand new that took the trip in my luggage from America, and I intend to use them on my next horse whilst LUNGING. I think they are a useful tool...for lunging: ) And I have a martingale too, running, and use it when I need it. A running martingale is such an innocuous device in comparison to these things. Of course we all strive to ride without any device, but I'm trying to set up ground for comparison here, in this odd situation I find myself.
One of the trainers at the barn my daughter works at (not the one my daughter works for) lunges all her horses in bitting rigs and has all her students ride the horses in either side reins or draw reins. The idea that a horse can give to the bit, develop a relaxed top line and self-carriage - without gadgets - is foreign to lots of people - not just your ladies. Very sad to see, particularly as the horses never get to stretch down or relax.
I agree with you completely about the ground manners, but perhaps they were just afraid you would get hurt - I will let go of a horse if the alternative is to get hurt - but good ground manners are critical as you point out.
Oh good grief. The ground manners thing is just awful. It's bad enough when people give into the whims of tiny dogs--when the critter on the other end of the lead weighs 1,000+ pounds, she needs to learn to behave!!!
One teacher I know puts "balancing reins" on every horse for longing, to teach them to move forward with a lower head carriage. It's NOT a tie-down, and they get removed when there's a rider. I wonder if it's the same gadget? Tied to the saddle-through the bit rings-tied to the girth? Just for beginning, not a horse that's been going for long, unless it's a horse who has been allowed to travel "inverted".
Fiddle didn't need even that--Dory just said, "get her to touch her chin to her shoulder" so we practiced that for a week, first standing, then walking, then trotting. Fiddle is a born dressage horse, too bad I'm not a better rider for her. ;-)
Can you get pictures of the equipment, lytha? Maybe that will help me understand...?
I still wish you could bring that beautiful Gina mare home ;) She needs you..
(OK... so that was like... unfair. Nothing like pressure on you when you are looking to change lesson barns! And for what its worth? I'd change PDQ too. The use of the side reins would drive me nuts, but even more is the seemingly perpetual lessons keeping people at a much lower level, with no apparent chance to really let folks LEARN!)
Kisses to Bassha!
I think its a good idea to change barns. I guess everywhere in the world has the same problems, just got to find somewhere you can learn and enjoy the people around you.
Oh my goodness...can't believe they want you to let the horse drag you along! That's crazy! Completely unacceptable.
It's also really a shame that they won't let you ride without side reins. It's not that terribly difficult to get a horse in a frame...and who says they need to be in a frame every moment anyway?
Also...because I'm curious...does Gina have a saddle pad under her saddle?
I'm also curious to see if you find any western riding barns in Germany...I've always felt Germany was big into dressage and english riding...I've never seen someone ride Western in Germany. Maybe that's just the areas I've been in...
I'm sorry I'm a lurker on your blog....I read it often; I'll make more of an attempt to comment :) I love your blog.
Wow, Lytha, they really are out there...Letting a horse bowl you over because its scared?
I do not remember seeing things like that used. I saw elastic head setters, but that has give...
Do look around,I am positve there has to be a place that does not use those reins.
Tara
Kate, I'd never heard of riding in side reins off the lungeline in my life until now, and you say you've seen it too!
I considered whether or not they meant for me to just drop the leadline and save myself, but it wasn't a dangerous situation - I was getting her successfully stopped, but then she'd just plow forward again. What I understood was "run alongside her and let her go at her chosen pace into the barn."
Aarene, too funny, that is exactly what I told my man when I first told him what happened. I said, "They're not POODLES!"
I say, it's a whole nother game when you're not lunging, and that is the difference I was trying to point out to the ladies. In retrospect I wish I'd said more. For example, that a horse not in a frame doesn't necessarily mean it's head is in the sky, adrenaline panicked. I posted pics in a blog entry a couple weeks ago - stock photos from companies selling these devices.
Mrs Mom, she is gorgeous, but her snarkiness does not warm me to her. Somehow they skipped ground manners with her, and she's the most advanced horse they give students.
Crystal, I assumed that dressage in Germany would be different.
Mellimaus, wish you were here to tell those ladies what you said. Yes Gina did have a saddle pad on and then they took it off for the next lesson because the saddle fitter was coming. Not sure what that was all about, but she did give a lesson without a pad, which is certainly not the worst thing that happens to her. There are western barns everywhere here. Reining and Quarter Horses are the new cool thing here. Astounding.
Tara, I wish they'd even make a switch to elastic. Oh well, I'll start looking around.
hi beth, habe neulich eine sehr interessante dokumentation im wdr gesehen die unter anderem auch hyperflexion behandelt. vielleicht interessiert sie dich auch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BETETkYHx68
ich denke auch, dass es ziemlich komisch ist im unterricht über sieben jahre lang nur ausbinder zu benutzen. bei anfängern kann ich es evtl. noch nachvollziehen aber nach sieben jahren reitunterricht sollte man schon in die lage gebracht worden sein, ein pferd auch ohne solche hilfsmittel "rund" zu kriegen...
I really don't understand people who take lessons for years and never seem to progress. I understand taking lessons to keep becoming a better rider, but you've gotta get out there on your own and work through problems!
Reining really looks like fun. Yeah, you can't feel crap through all that leather on the fenders, but I wouldn't want to try a rollback in a dressage saddle!
So they use side reins and they allow horses to panic and run over people.
Lots of kool-aid being served and downed with enthusiasm.
Hmm. Glad you are going to be looking for a different place to ride. The arena situation sounds so chaotic!
Sonja, that was a nice WDR special, thanks for sharing it. At first I had trouble figuring out the direction it was going to take, then I realized it was just sport horse/school horse abuse in general. They did a great job with clips of Anky on Bonfire, who made Rollkur famous (infamous) and Kittel's Blue Tongue video. Also I'm glad they did a clip on "bewegungstall", what we call Paddock Paradise in America, which is a track system with spaced out resources (salt, hay, water) which forces domestic horses to move similar to wild horses. Good job WDR for including that bit!
Best of all was the French trainer who said "Rollkur being legal for up to 10 minutes is like wife-beating being allowed for 10 minutes." He is a hard-liner, he says horses NEVER take that overbent position when at liberty. I'd sign up for his clinics if he's in Germany again!
I was shocked to see that clip of a riding academy where all the ponies had side-reins or schlaufzuegel on. OMG how common is this!?
That Totilas gets zero turnout is typical and sad - it's less convenient to have to hike thru the grass to catch a horse, and then have to clean the mud off, and they are more likely to get hurt outside--but they are more likely to hurt *people* when locked up all day. Hopefully Totilas will have a good retirement with some freetime involved.
I was annoyed that I couldn't understand Anky's trainer's German at all - they should have let him speak Dutch and then translated!
So glad they included the Balkenhols - I've been following them as much as possible because Klaus refuses to use LDR when he coaches Annabel.
It seems like most of Germany understands that horses need to be outside - they even sell those signs you can put on your fence, "Horses are 'Movement Animals'" or whatever - so that the public understands when horses are outside in bad weather. Sadly the more valuable a horse is, the less likely you are to see it at pasture. That is the same everywhere.
Funder, if I had to find something that these ladies are learning well, it's the experience of riding a different horse every week. That is a great way to learn, the more horses the better, and they have a huge pool of horses to choose from, all with their own issues. But with side-reins, there is no dressage.
Breathe, the kool aid! I have to tell my man about that cuz he knows I have a bunch of kool aid packets from America that I treasure. Arena chaos: that's probably why the lessons are so cheap - riders flying every which way!
I don't see how anyone could learn in that enviroment. It doesn't seem like a lesson at all with all those riders under the same teacher, doing their own thing. Seems more like they are just doing their own thing and because there is a trainer standing there, it's called a lesson. Does the trainer even work with any of you while you are riding or does she just stand there and say, "Heels down" or "Sit up"...things like that? I'd change barns too. It's sounds more like a pony ring at a fair than a lesson barn.
Wazzoo, the free time is chaotic, but kind of nice because if I'm exhausted, I can just pull into the middle and do some walking work. The instructor notices when I'm on the wrong diagonal, when someone canters on the wrong lead, and keeps telling me to bend my horse's face slightly to the inside, so I would say she is doing her job - she also has us all do complicated patterns, taking turns or all together! That is what I call pressure when we take turns, cuz I feel everyone's eyes on me. Last week we had an interesting exercise - we all trotted a circle together and bent our horses to the inside for exactly half the circle, and to the outside for the other half. It was tricky and something I'd never done before. Then she asked people to try counter-cantering and I opted out. I haven't got a handle on Gina's canter and I'm not willing to try this seeing how she bucks when her rider uses too much leg. But after all this, there are two things against this instructor that are glaring in my mind: 1.) She will not get on a horse to show us how to fix a problem (she has health issues). That is something every student deserves, IMO: a riding instructor who will jump on your horse at a moment's notice to show you how it's done. Or was I spoiled back home? 2.) She has half of her job already done for her - the horses all have their heads tied behind the vertical, so there is no need to ever teach a rider how to use the reins to collect and engage a horse. What an easy time she has it - you're right! But these lessons were so cheap, I must admit, I jumped in without looking because of the price.
I have never had a group lesson. I don't think I could do it...lol! You are tougher than me!
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